Thursday, August 24, 2006

Final Round

I'm going to be incommunicado for the next few days, taking some much needed vacation time (I hear Hungary is beautiful this time of the year...).

Here's the final round matchup for Greatest PM We Never Had. I figure between this and the leadership projections, that should give people enough to talk about in the comments section over that time.

Greatest Prime Minister We Never Had - Final Round
Final Matchup
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Robert Stanfield
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Preston Manning

(view results)

51 Comments:

  • I take it the SDA crew have been here. That's like choosing between gonnereah and syphylis.

    A well, gotta go with Stansfield then. And old PC and no creeping insanity in a few years time.

    By Blogger Mike, at 4:07 PM  

  • Oh well. In spite of SDA's games, we ALL know who would have won in a REAL election between McKenna and Manning.

    By Blogger Kyle Carruthers, at 4:43 PM  

  • Of we all know who would have won... the guy who threw the football.

    By Blogger Joe Calgary, at 5:00 PM  

  • I've gotta give my vote to Stanfield - Red Tory!

    By Blogger Harrap, at 5:18 PM  

  • That's right Kyle, you set us straight. You know all.

    Hey Mike, another tolerant type, woo hoo, you go!

    By Blogger Mr. Calgary, at 5:55 PM  

  • I've got to put my vote behind Stanfield. I actually like the guy. He seemed like a reasonable, red tory type.

    By Blogger Zac, at 6:30 PM  

  • He looks totally stoned in that picture, though.

    By Blogger Idealistic Pragmatist, at 7:04 PM  

  • I mean, geeh how dare people vote for a candidate you personally don't like that smacks far too much of "democracy".

    By Blogger Chris, at 8:03 PM  

  • I dont see what "democracy" has to do with an unrepresentative internet poll skewed by one of the most vitrolic conservative bloggers in Canada.

    By Blogger Kyle Carruthers, at 8:26 PM  

  • Maybe the real issue with SDA lies with the fact that there isn't a similiar blog from the progressive side of the sphere willing/able to direct the same sort of traffic.

    Just thinking

    By Blogger BBS, at 8:35 PM  

  • I was just wondering what is "vitriolic" about Kate's comments at SDA.

    Personally, I find comments like
    " because cheating is for Liberals" to be quite humourous. True, but humerous.

    By Blogger Fred Mc, at 9:27 PM  

  • Kyle,

    So Kate gets her people out ot vote, so what? Its not like you guys can't do the same.

    Or CAN'T you.........?

    By Blogger Ontario Lad, at 10:05 PM  

  • Go Preston Go!!!

    I think bbs is probably correct... the lib-left are ticked because they couldn't muster enough votes to keep their own in the race. Let's hope it's a prelude for the next federal election...

    By Blogger Richard, at 10:07 PM  

  • It's not our fault liblogs doesn't have the same traffic sway as the Blogging Tories.

    By Blogger Dant√©, at 11:24 PM  

  • "Oh well. In spite of SDA's games, we ALL know who would have won in a REAL election between McKenna and Manning"

    What "games" did SDA play Kyle?

    Are you inferring something sinister? Like - information?

    By Blogger Pilot, at 12:09 AM  

  • "It's not our fault liblogs doesn't have the same traffic sway as the Blogging Tories."

    It's never your fault

    By Blogger kate, at 9:48 AM  

  • Get out the vote...!

    As much is true in real elections too.

    By Blogger Stephen Taylor, at 10:05 AM  

  • Bart, have a great bit of time off, man - you deserve it, and I don't know how you keep up here. Have a good break,

    JBG

    By Blogger Jason Bo Green, at 10:20 AM  

  • Sure, the left doesn't have quite the swing as the right, but I also think we don't care about meaningless internet poll results.

    Personally, I'm a left-leaning Liberal and I've voted for Stanfield in previous rounds (and this one again), because I think he probably would be one of the better PMs we've never had.

    The purpose of these isn't to say, "hey look a right winger won this poll, so conservatives are great." The purpose is to see who people as a whole think the best man or woman who never quite rose to the top seat would be.

    Even if there was a Liberal in the finals, I'd still rather vote on who I think the better guy was, not just whose name was associated with my party.

    By Blogger UWHabs, at 10:28 AM  

  • I voted for Stanfield simply because if he won we might have been able to avoid Trudeau-mania. If only he had caught the football.

    By Blogger "Expert" Tom, at 10:31 AM  

  • "That's like choosing between gonnereah and syphylis."

    Don't most Liberals have both?

    By Blogger Toronto Tory, at 10:37 AM  

  • "It's never your fault"

    Ah, the Liberal way..

    By Blogger Biggie Rection, at 10:49 AM  

  • "Sure, the left doesn't have quite the swing as the right, but I also think we don't care about meaningless internet poll results."

    They doth protest too much.

    By Blogger kate, at 10:57 AM  

  • Mike said...

    "I take it the SDA crew have been here. That's like choosing between gonnereah and syphylis."

    Oh I love it Mike!

    And don't forget Ezra Levant over at the Western Standard(?). Both Kate and Ezra are right wing crazies that are promoting the fascist cause inside the Harpercon Party.

    They are the REAL threat to Canada and our independence. They, and clowns like Ralph Klein who is going to be giving lectures in Washington D.C. about "practical politics" in Canada.

    I just wish these right wing creeps and bums would stay at home at their own websites and not pollute the discussions on legitimate blogs like this one.

    By Blogger Joe Green, at 2:45 PM  

  • not related to this at all, but I believe the Green Party of Canada just voted at their policy convention in favour of a resolution calling for up to 2 years in jail for harrassing a woman who is breast feeding. this is too funny to be true.

    By Blogger ktr, at 5:17 PM  

  • Wells here. I voted Manning every time I saw his name in this thing until the last round, and I still think he'd make a pretty good prime minister. Maybe some of these votes came from people who like him?

    Mind you, it's true, I read sda yesterday....Kate's converting me...

    By Blogger Paul, at 9:55 AM  

  • Yo Kyle!

    Issue a press release when you finally make up your mind.

    Now it's just an internet poll.

    A week ago it was so important you were having a hissy fit and tossing out hate like someone had just decapitated your favourite teddy bear.

    By Blogger Mr. Calgary, at 11:20 AM  

  • I have had the opportunity to hear Preston deliver two speeches in the past 18 months. He spoke on the Canadian Health Care system and its inherent flaws in Ottawa. The other speech was a commentary on the inverse relationship between effective tax reforms from an economic perspective as opposed to a politically expedient perspective. I had not heard him in person before. I had only heard him through the filter of the electronic media in Canada. What a difference. In person, he is articulate, impassioned, thoughtful and visionary. (Although he does have a very nasal, irritating delivery) Through the media I had always assumed he was some kind of Christian Neanderthal spouting hate. I have voted for him consistently throughout this poll. Having heard him on these two occasions and having sought out his written opinions on a variety of subjects affecting Canadians I honestly believe that he would have been not a godd Prime Minister but a great one.

    By Blogger Brian Mallard, at 11:38 AM  

  • I have had the opportunity to hear Preston deliver two speeches in the past 18 months. He spoke in Ottawa on the Canadian Health Care system and its inherent flaws. The other speech was a commentary on the inverse relationship between effective tax reforms from an economic perspective as opposed to a politically expedient perspective. I had not heard him in person before. I had only heard him through the filter of the electronic media in Canada. What a difference. In person, he is articulate, impassioned, thoughtful and visionary. (Although he does have a very nasal, irritating delivery) Through the media I had always assumed he was some kind of Christian Neanderthal spouting hate. I have voted for him consistently throughout this poll. Having heard him on these two occasions and having sought out his written opinions on a variety of subjects affecting Canadians I honestly believe that he would have been not a good Prime Minister but a great one.

    By Blogger Brian Mallard, at 11:41 AM  

  • I spoke to Manning during the 1988 election campaign and asked him what his number 1 priority was. He told me it was senate reform, not "Neanderthal hate spouting" as the media would have had you assume.

    By Blogger DJeffery, at 4:08 PM  

  • I agree with Brian, Manning would have been a good, maybe terrific PM, but "Best Never", nah.

    By Blogger Jason Bo Green, at 4:36 PM  

  • Neither one of these guys appears to be pretty enough to win, but then Cretien made it and he is the son of Frankenstein in the looks dept.

    However, Preston has an IQ that dwarfs all comers.

    Too bad about the voice.

    By Blogger Duke, at 4:56 PM  

  • It will be a farce if Presto wins this... He wouldn't deserve to carry Robert Stanfield's briefcase.

    By Blogger Devin, at 1:50 PM  

  • Like Devin said. The SDAites have also freeped the Prog Blogs poll function out of existence.

    They're engaged in a back-slapping (or insert other metaphor) exercise in SDA's current comments section - interspersed, of course, with spittle-flecked rage at us godless communists for oppressing them by objecting to their lame antics.

    By Blogger Jason Townsend, at 2:49 PM  

  • You guys are babies...

    By Blogger Toronto Tory, at 4:57 PM  

  • I try to use my traffic only for good.

    By Blogger kate, at 5:46 PM  

  • I would have voted for Manning, but am somewhat dissapointed by the antics of SDA. By poisoning the poll (its pretty obvious people are voting a large number of times), they have also destroyed its legitimacy - even though Preston Manning had a fair shot at winning.

    Indeed, the fact that two right-of-centre politicians are in the finals is testament to the high quality of many right-wing politicians in history (and the fact that Tories usually lose elections).

    By Blogger hosertohoosier, at 6:39 PM  

  • "hosertohoosier said...

    I would have voted for Manning, but am somewhat dissapointed by the antics of SDA. By poisoning the poll (its pretty obvious people are voting a large number of times), they have also destroyed its legitimacy - even though Preston Manning had a fair shot at winning."

    All candidates had an equal chance. What's really disappointing is that the dippers and libs couldn't drum up enough support for their own candidates.

    Even more disappointing however is that you folks expected a result in your own (political) favor due to the location of the poll vis-a-vis this blogs readership and now your pouting because it didn't work out for you...

    By Blogger Richard, at 9:23 PM  

  • UWHabs: thanks for being honest. Let's remember the key point in the Stanfield-Trudeau contest - Pierre standing up and saying 'Zap, you're frozen' with regards to wage and price controls, and then turning around and implementing them within a few weeks of being elected. That incredible lie soured me on the Liberals, and they've done nothing since to show me they have any agenda but power. Feh.

    Bob Stanfield was a moderate centrist who tried to bring all the factions in this country together. I'm a pretty died in the wool tory, but I would never choose Manning, whom I consider an intolerant prig like John Ashcroft, over Stanfield.

    By Blogger KevinB55, at 3:42 AM  

  • Zero apologies on your count Kate... Like Stephan says, get out your vote. I guess there is just more Tories who own computers than Grits. Heh.

    By Blogger Joe Calgary, at 1:46 PM  

  • Joe:

    You say that there are more Tories that Grits with computers... Stanfield was a Tory! I think its telling that today's Conservatives prefer a Reformer like Manning over, well, the greatest Prime Minister Canada never had. It is further evidence that the merger with the Canadian Alliance wiped out any remaining semblance of progressiveness...

    By Blogger Devin, at 2:14 PM  

  • There's a great Liberal candidate running in the New Brunswick provincial election.

    Here's her campaign blog: Shirley Smallwood - Liberal Candidate Moncton Crescent

    By Blogger anonymous, at 6:57 PM  

  • kate said...

    "I try to use my traffic only for good. "

    What a load of bullshit. You ban people who do not agree with your right wing extremism, for your glossing over the crimes of the Grant Devine Government in your Province of Saskatchewan, and for your promotion of Amerikan Republicans with Canadian Passports.

    Kate, fuck off.

    By Blogger Joe Green, at 8:57 PM  

  • That's some fucking brilliant repartee there Joe.

    Syncro

    By Blogger syncrodox, at 12:14 AM  

  • http://calgarysun.com/comment/index.shtml#

    Has the federal Liberal party lost credibility with Canadian voters?

    Yes
    No
    SUBMIT · RESULTS

    Results as of Monday 11 pm EST

    By Blogger wilson61, at 11:48 AM  

  • My offer to bet you still stands Joe Green, especially since I've done my research on your dead carcass.

    But you won't will you Joe Green. Cause your a chicken shit.

    It's easy to rise to the occasion Joe Green.

    A couple of paypal accounts, a grand, two grand, ten grand, deposit the money, let Chucker be the keeper, and then we will see who has better claim to his citizenship... but you won't, cause your a liar, and a fake, which makes you a chickenshit coward too.

    Oh and Joe Green, spare me the "I only bet a million bucks routine". You don't have it. Come to me with a few thousand in your pocket Pussyboy, and I'll cheerfully remove it.

    How bout' Joe... take the bet, or do us the favor of taking your lying, cowardly ass away from this blog forever.

    Cause I'm saying here and now, you don't have the nuts to put money where your mouth is, and if you don't take my bet your telling us that I'm right, and you really are nothing but a bullshitting coward.

    What about it Joe Green, up to the challenge, or would you rather keep blaming your right wing father for all your evils.

    Everywhere I see you, I'm throwing this post up, because your a crass jack-off, who contributes nothing to a conversation beyond your Amerikan paranoia, and slighting people on their parentage, or how they parent.

    Come on flyboy fluffer... take the bet.

    Devin... I voted for Stanfield, I always like an underdog, and he always exemplified that to me. I like Preston too, but I wanted Stansfield to get a win for a change. Dropping a football is a terrible way to lose an election.

    By Blogger Joe Calgary, at 11:57 AM  

  • je calgary wrote thus ...

    "A couple of paypal accounts, a grand, two grand, ten grand, deposit the money, let Chucker be the keeper, and then we will see who has better claim to his citizenship... but you won't, cause your a liar, and a fake, which makes you a chickenshit coward too."

    You want me to entrust money to a "neocon" for safe keeping????

    hahahahahaha

    I got to hand it to you "Joe Fell Off The Cow", you DO have cheek.

    hahahahahaha

    Put up REAL money, with a REAL bank, for $1,000,000 then we will talk turkey. Otherwise, shrink back into your gopher hole.

    Trust Chuckercanuck? Trust Kate? Trust Ezra?

    hahahahaha

    Too much. Too Much.

    By Blogger Joe Green, at 1:42 PM  

  • Thats fine my little pilot fluffer...

    We can ask Calgary Grit, a Liberal, to moderate and hold the money if he's agreeable, or Cherniak, a Liberal Lawyer, or any of a dozen other liberals I respect.

    And save it, you don't have a million dollars Joe Green, nor is shaming you publicly worth the money if you did. Unlike your collectivism mentality, I don't require that level of vindication. A mere thousand dollars is sufficient, or if your a gambling man, make it $5K. Besides, I wouldn't want to upset your diet of canned catfood.

    That a little simpler for you Joe Green?

    Seems to me I'm meeting your condition... if your still against the bet, I guess your basically admitting to all and sundry here that you really are a liar and a coward. Is that what your saying Joe Green?

    By Blogger Joe Calgary, at 4:57 PM  

  • Joe "Fell Off The Cow" Calgary, read my lips. $1,000,000 in a Canadian Bank. What part of $1,000,000 do you not understand?

    By Blogger Joe Green, at 7:31 PM  

  • yyc posed this question to chuckercanuck.

    "Without a seach engine can you ID the following speaker who places lovers of Rand and Fallwell way outside the mainstream of social/economic conservatism:"

    "The truth is that strong economic and social conservatives are more often than not the same people, and not without reason. Except at the extremes of libertarianism and theocracy, the philosophical fusion has become deep and wide-spread"

    Answer: Little Stevie Harper

    http://www.ccicinc.org/politicalaffairs/060103.html

    Of course, he is lying. The formula used to suck in the Christian Right into a "coalition of the willing" with the Libertarian atheists was that of none other than Karl Rove.

    Continuing from that post:

    "Ted Byfield labelled these factions "neo-con" and "theo-con." More commonly, they are known simply as economic conservatives and social conservatives."

    and this if you have any remaining doubts:

    "To use George W. Bush's phrase, whatever your political objective or party, electoral success requires a "coalition of the willing" and nothing less. "

    Rediscovering The Right Agenda
    June 2003
    By Stephen Harper - Report Magazine

    The Canadian Alliance leader outlines how social and economic conservatism must unite

    Now boys and girls, are there any questions about the Great Satan's deceit, lying and cheating here to organize a "coalition of the willing" made up of those that believe in God, and those that believe the exact opposite???

    No wonder all of Canada thinks that Steven Harper is dangerous and delusional, and they have even less regard for Harper's teacher, that Amerikan Republican with a Canadian Passport that pretends to sit as an Alberta MLA, Ted Morton.

    Out of the mouthes of babes eh?

    By Blogger Joe Green, at 11:54 PM  

  • You don't have a million dollars loser... you don't even get a pension cheque for the service you never did.

    I figure all you've got is $10 bucks worth of time at an internet cafe, and a copy of the bible under your pillow.

    By Blogger Joe Calgary, at 3:39 PM  

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