Thursday, August 17, 2006

The Final Four



Somewhat fittingly, three NDPers went down to defeat in the quarter-finals and the final 4 are set:
A 19th Century Conservative who lived in John A's shadow.
A successful Liberal Premier who didn't want the top job.
A grass roots reformer who was booted as party leader for Stockwell Day.
And the underwear salesman who couldn't catch a football.

In one semi-final, it will be number 2 seed Preston Manning against the 11th seeded Frank McKenna. In the other battle, top seed Robert Stanfield, takes on number 4 seed George Etienne Cartier, who is coming off a dominant win over Greatest Canadian champion Tommy Douglas.

Voting closes Tuesday at noon and you can vote once a day until then.



Greatest Prime Minister We Never Had - Round 3
Matchup 1
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Robert Stanfield
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George Etienne Cartier
Matchup 2
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Frank McKenna
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Preston Manning

(view results)

45 Comments:

  • This pol

    By Blogger LeoPetr, at 1:14 PM  

  • ...l sucks. I demand a The Losing Four Poll with all the Round 2 losers as compensation to the NDP demographic. You can't honestly expect me to pick the least bad between McKenna and Manning. Well, that's Manning. Anyone but McKenna. Ugh.

    By Blogger LeoPetr, at 1:16 PM  

  • Maybe you could throw all of the NDP 3rd party "losers" into a "best opposition leader that Canada never had" contest.

    :)

    By Blogger Toronto Tory, at 2:24 PM  

  • TT: LOL!

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 4:25 PM  

  • I really can't vote for any of the four.

    By Blogger WandaLady, at 7:33 PM  

  • I think Round 2 had to have been broken, or rigged, or something.

    By Blogger Mike Gillis, at 10:25 PM  

  • mike; Small Dead Animals sent a lot of voters this way to get Preston in ahead of Romanow.

    The other three matchups stayed the same from start to finish though. Cartier and Stanfield were logical picks and given the tough time Broadbent had against Manley in round 1, it's not surprising he lost to McKenna in round 2.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 11:50 PM  

  • As I pointed out in the other thread, Manning was beating Romanow by about 50 votes the night before the poll closed, before SDA linked here.

    By Blogger The Invisible Hand, at 6:11 AM  

  • If the polls are stuffed the results are meaningless.
    And these polls are stuffed. Too bad, I kept voting for Bob.

    By Blogger steve, at 8:36 AM  

  • WHAT IS GOING ON??

    Manning over McKenna 70% to 30%?

    Are you people insane?

    Frank McKenna took New Brunswick, which was so badly in debt it would have had its economy taken over by the IMF if it were a country, to the fastest growing economy in Canada in under 10 years. He took it from that position and balanced the tooks.

    He did this during a recesion and when federal transfers were being slashed and slashed and slashed.

    He is a proven leader with a proven record. We haven't even talked about is law, business and diplomatic accumens. COME ONE PEOPLE!

    By Blogger nbpolitico, at 11:08 AM  

  • Looks like Small Dead Animals again. Bart, maybe you should have never even started this poll if she was just going to manipulate it.

    By Blogger Kyle Carruthers, at 12:02 PM  

  • Ouch - I was so enraged, my post is littered with typos.

    It is a real shame to see such a fun project sidelined by people abusing the process.

    For shame.

    By Blogger nbpolitico, at 12:14 PM  

  • Kate just wants to refight old battles. Canadians rejected Preston Manning on several occasions and would do so again today if he were still leader/leader again.

    If hijacking this poll by sending all her equally-nuts readers to CG brings her pleasure then I say we let her have it. Anything that stops her from picking on Natives and Muslims for a few minutes.

    If Small Dead Animals is going to be a Canadian opinion leader over the next while, our status as a tolerant diverse country is in jeopardy. Fortunately I think her readership mainly consists of whiny reactionaries and outright bigots--and us Liberals who torture ourselves by reading her vitrol.

    By Blogger Kyle Carruthers, at 12:37 PM  

  • "....our status as a tolerant diverse country is in jeopardy."

    You're doing that all by yourself Kyle.

    By Blogger Mr. Calgary, at 12:58 PM  

  • You're doing that all by yourself Kyle.

    Oh come on! This woman spends her day trying to rile up racist sentiment in her readers by constant one-sided blogging about natives and muslims. All she does is reinforce people's pre-existing predjudices. Its unbelievable that anyone actually takes her seriously.

    If Preston Manning can only win because Kate "rocks the vote" then I am that much more relieved that this guy was never was (and never will be) our PM. If commenters at SDA are reflective of her overall readership then they are generally a pretty unsavoury bunch.

    By Blogger Kyle Carruthers, at 2:58 PM  

  • O'well, if Manning does win at least it will be in some kind of Canadian dystopian alternate reality that is second only to 'V for Vendetta'.

    By Blogger bza, at 3:18 PM  

  • My own call would have been Stanfield vs. Douglas for the finals, but internet audiences and especially internet polls are funny animals.

    I'm voting my underpants (no, really) and family ties - Stanfield.

    By Blogger Jason Townsend, at 3:53 PM  

  • Stanfield vs. McKenna would actually, in my mind, be a reasonable final match.

    However, I've been voting Cartier.

    By Blogger nbpolitico, at 4:09 PM  

  • Kyle, your hysterical attacks against Kate and SDA speaks volumes about -you- not her.

    Kindly produce the evidence to back up your comments - your precise comments that you took the time to type.

    Your tolerance flows off of you. Your willingness to let Manning participate, as long as he doesn't win anything, more priceless tolerance.

    (a strange concept you have, taking a new party and getting 93 seats, Official opposition status, "rejected several times" sniffs Kyle)

    Kate's site is popular and getting more so everyday. This seems to bother you and your tolerance quite a bit.

    I guess we'll have to wait for the day when you run down to the human rights commission to exercise your well-known tolerance to track down the "unsavoury" sort of Canadians who read and post there.

    By Blogger Mr. Calgary, at 4:15 PM  

  • Mr. Calgary,

    Yours and Kate's right to your own opinion does not mean I have to like your opinion or think highly of you after you have expressed it. I cant stop you from holding your opinion--that is what free speech means. It does not mean I have to accept or appreciate your opinions.

    Its not my poll, its Calgary Grits. If it were mine Preston Manning would not even be shortlisted. He is an extreme right winger who would have destroyed what I like about this country if he had ever been elected.

    As for SDA, I think the fact that it has such wide readership says something not extremely pleasant about some subset of Canadians. Half of the posts are designed to reinforce negative stereotypes about muslims and aboriginals. Some of us read it just to see how extreme some folks on the right are.

    I have no power to stop you or Kate from expressing yourself, and dont wish for that power. But I still think it is pathetic that a site which promotes hatred has such wide appeal; and it is MY right to hold that opinion.

    By Blogger Kyle Carruthers, at 4:23 PM  

  • Kyle says "It does not mean I have to accept or appreciate your opinions."

    No problem there. But of course, all opinions are not equal. Some have credibility, others lack it.

    and then "...a site which promotes hatred has such wide appeal;...."

    Do you have anything that supports -your opinion-?

    Or is it a case of I feel it, therefore it is fact?

    People in the real world seem to view me as a rather competent, 'extremely' reliable, commonsense sort of person. Yet, based on your opinion, (and your right to it), I'm thoroughly involved with a site promoting hate. Wow.

    Pretson Manning an extreme right winger? I've just put the dictionary down. What's your definition of extreme?

    Perhaps you need a platform to fully expand more on your "subsets" of Canadians.

    By Blogger Mr. Calgary, at 5:33 PM  

  • all opinions are not equal. Some have credibility, others lack it.

    You're right. And opinions designed to whip up disdain for First Nations people and Muslims have ZERO credibility.

    Do you have anything that supports -your opinion-?

    Yes. The fact that every second blog relates to Caledonia, Lebanon, Afghanistan, or Aboriginal rights suggests to me a conscious effort to inspire the hate filled comments that attach to every one of Kate's blogs.

    Pretson Manning an extreme right winger? I've just put the dictionary down. What's your definition of extreme?

    Yes. Check out Manning and Harris' report at the Fraser Institute.

    By Blogger Kyle Carruthers, at 5:51 PM  

  • So let me get this straight. If I find out about your poll via SDA I am a "whiny reactionary" or an "outright bigot".

    Bigot (def)
    "One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ"

    I only went to a site and voted. I didn't attempt to belittle those who disagreed with me. Which begs the question: Who is the bigot?

    I find it amusing that democracy is only acceptable to the left when they win. If they lose (even in a meaningless internet poll such as this) the process was "hijacked".
    If the results aren't what you want don't ask my opinion. But if you do ask my opinion get over your loss.
    BTW I voted for McKenna.

    By Blogger Pilot, at 5:57 PM  

  • I find it amusing that democracy is only acceptable to the left when they win.

    Gee I didnt realize that ONLINE POLL was the same as democracy. If the poll was conducted in a manner representative of the general population of Canada Preston Manning wouldnt still be on it.

    I dont think I ever said that there was anything "wrong" about the fact that Kate is directing traffic here. I just think that given the charectaristics of her readership it makes the outcome of the poll pretty skewed and the fact that she did so was a pathetic way of making Manning appear more popular than he is. FURTHERMORE, my comments about her readership have always been attached to a qualifier--"mainly consists of", and "generally a pretty unsavoury bunch". I also said that "IF her readership is reflective of her commenters". After each one of Kate's anti-Muslim or anti-Aboriginal there is always a long string of racist comments and if that is representative of her readership that is sad.

    By Blogger Kyle Carruthers, at 6:10 PM  

  • Just like to point out... Preston Manning never won 93 seats, nor did he win anything close to that number. The high water mark of the Reform party was 1997, with 60.

    By Blogger Clear Grit, at 11:54 PM  

  • The Left and Right are PACKED with nutjobs. No side or party is free of them. Kate and her crew just happen to be on the Right. They all have Left counterparts who are just as vile. However, that doesn't make them not wacko. They very much are.

    By Blogger Jason Bo Green, at 1:58 AM  

  • 1) Stanfield is far and away the best option here.

    2) McKenna is the second best choice.

    3) Broadbent and Romanow are the best of the NDP, but neither of them can compare to Stanfield, McKenna or Carter.

    4) In one way I guess Manning is the best PM we never had...in the sense that the best thing that ever happened to Canada was that he did not become PM in 1988 and 1993.

    By Blogger Devin, at 8:33 AM  

  • 1) Stanfield is far and away the best option here.

    2) McKenna is the second best choice.

    3) Broadbent and Romanow are the best of the NDP, but neither of them can compare to Stanfield, McKenna or Carter.

    4) In one way I guess Manning is the best PM we never had...in the sense that the best thing that ever happened to Canada was that he did not become PM in 1988 and 1993.

    By Blogger Devin, at 8:34 AM  

  • 1) Stanfield is far and away the best option here.

    2) McKenna is the second best choice.

    3) Broadbent and Romanow are the best of the NDP, but neither of them can compare to Stanfield, McKenna or Carter.

    4) In one way I guess Manning is the best PM we never had...in the sense that the best thing that ever happened to Canada was that he did not become PM in 1988 and 1993.

    By Blogger Devin, at 8:35 AM  

  • 1) Stanfield is far and away the best option here.

    2) McKenna is the second best choice.

    3) Broadbent and Romanow are the best of the NDP, but neither of them can compare to Stanfield, McKenna or Carter.

    4) In one way I guess Manning is the best PM we never had...in the sense that the best thing that ever happened to Canada was that he did not become PM in 1988 and 1993.

    By Blogger Devin, at 8:36 AM  

  • 1) Stanfield is far and away the best option here.

    2) McKenna is the second best choice.

    3) Broadbent and Romanow are the best of the NDP, but neither of them can compare to Stanfield, McKenna or Carter.

    4) In one way I guess Manning is the best PM we never had...in the sense that the best thing that ever happened to Canada was that he did not become PM in 1988 and 1993.

    By Blogger Devin, at 8:36 AM  

  • 1) Stanfield is far and away the best option here.

    2) McKenna is the second best choice.

    3) Broadbent and Romanow are the best of the NDP, but neither of them can compare to Stanfield, McKenna or Carter.

    4) In one way I guess Manning is the best PM we never had...in the sense that the best thing that ever happened to Canada was that he did not become PM in 1988 and 1993.

    By Blogger Devin, at 8:37 AM  

  • 1) Stanfield is far and away the best option here.

    2) McKenna is the second best choice.

    3) Broadbent and Romanow are the best of the NDP, but neither of them can compare to Stanfield, McKenna or Carter.

    4) In one way I guess Manning is the best PM we never had...in the sense that the best thing that ever happened to Canada was that he did not become PM in 1988 and 1993.

    By Blogger Devin, at 8:38 AM  

  • If Preston "Praise Jesus" Manning wins this thing, I'm gonna scream.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 8:38 AM  

  • CGrit:

    Sorry for the multiple posts... My blogger account is messed up.

    By Blogger Devin, at 8:43 AM  

  • Oops, you are right Clear Grit.

    An oversight I did not pick up on. (blush)

    By Blogger Mr. Calgary, at 10:34 AM  

  • Manning over McKenna 70% to 30%?

    Are you people insane?

    =================================

    Frank McKenna had zero opposition so he was able to do whatever he wanted like any totalitarian dictator.
    He brought thousands of low paid call center jobs so the fat wifes of the lazy men who pretend to be unemployed could have some benefits.

    Have you been to that province?

    I have and I know many who are from there. No one with any ambition at all can possibly stay there. Except the French because they get ALL the fedreal and provincial well paying jobs.

    I can't actually call them jobs, since they don't actually do much work. Let's call them 'positions'

    By Blogger Duke, at 7:43 PM  

  • CGrit:

    Sorry for the multiple posts... My blogger account is messed up.

    ============================

    As are you!

    By Blogger Duke, at 7:46 PM  

  • Polls are meaningless so what's all the fuss.

    This is an exercise in fun, not democracy. It is a way to spurn debate about the candidates. Kyle get over it. You don't like it run your own poll on your own site.

    Kyle....you are an arse. Generalize myself and a bunch of others as racists because we enjoy a website run by someone who doesn't prescribe to socialist policy makes you a moron. Go back to Babble if you want someone to agree with your ridiculous ideas.

    btw...thanks for the poll CG. Regardless of who wins it did make me think.

    By Blogger NorthBayTrapper, at 8:18 AM  

  • Kyle - you seem very upset that people have clicked on this site to vote - from whereever they came - and are voting for someone you don't like.

    If CG put out this little poll, he/she obviously expected people of all stripes to vote - even use "whiny, bigoted, reactionaries"

    Interesting though - the only whining reactionary I see is Kyle being upset because his guy isn't winning.

    As for bigoted - well I would say that Kyle is bigoted against Conservatives!!!

    By Blogger Alberta Girl, at 9:10 AM  

  • AltaGrl,

    You misquoted me. I said "whining reactionaries AND outright bigots". I didnt think that calling one a "reactionary" (a political ideology of sorts) makes one a "bigot".

    By Blogger Kyle Carruthers, at 5:14 PM  

  • So are you calling th SDA people reactionaries or bigots?

    Excellent use of drive by sliming Kyle. Very convenient that you leave yourself weasle room when challenged by the "reactionaries".

    Would it not be more useful to provide arguments why your choice is better rather than labelling those that disagree? Dismissing alternate thought with unsupported generalities is not debate, it is name calling.

    By Blogger Pilot, at 11:40 AM  

  • "In one way I guess Manning is the best PM we never had...in the sense that the best thing that ever happened to Canada was that he did not become PM in 1988 and 1993."

    =========================

    Anything you say Kruggel.

    By Blogger Ontario Lad, at 12:28 AM  

  • Wishing that they can do their job accordingly.

    By Anonymous mens overcoat, at 4:23 AM  

  • I suppose every person must read it.

    By Anonymous www.empresas3d.com, at 1:48 PM  

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