Tuesday, March 13, 2007

Le Debat

Random comments as I half pay attention to the Quebec debate (Fuddle Duddle's got the french live blog going too)...

6:12 pm: I just log on to the CPAC website now as Charest says "you need to elect the best team, I have the best team". I guess the fact that none of his candidates have been busted for genocide denial or racist comments does put him in first.

Health Care

6:14 pm: Dumont promises more private health care.

6:16 pm: Boisclair says that "Charest does not deserve a second chance". I'm not sure if Andre Boisclair is really the person who should be saying that people don't deserve second chances...

6:23 pm: Boisclair says that all Quebecers should have access to drugs. I'm sure Andre knows a guy who can help ensure that...

6:25 pm: Dumont attacks Boisclair for what "his government" did when the PQ were in power. I don't think Andre Boisclair can be held responsible for what the PQ did considering he was stoned most of the time.


6:33 pm: We all love the environment blah blah blah...this is gonna be a dull round.

6:39 pm: Ding Ding Ding! Boisclair becomes the first candidate to take a shot at Alberta during the debate, lamenting how Quebecers' tax dollars are funding the oil sands. I know! I just hate how Quebec tax dollars keep getting sent to Alberta.

6:48 pm: Let me just say that it's nice to watch a debate where we won't have to listen to hours of post-game analysis about how good everyone's French was.


6:55 pm: I'm not sure if you can look "Prime Ministerial" in a provincial debate, or even if that's a good thing, but Charest seems to be cool and in control of this one. Dumont and Boisclair also keep going after each other like rabid squirrels whenever they get the 1 on 1 debates against each other which, one imagines, also serves Charest well.

6:59 pm: Jack Layton Andre Boisclair complains about government money going to the banks and insurance companies.

7:03 pm: Dumont produces a document related to the overpass collapse...I'm not really sure what the brouhaha is all about so I guess we'll need to wait until the post game show to see what it's all about.

7:08 pm: Boisclair asks Dumont "what is the room to manoeuvre?" repeatedly. Even the translator gets fired up over it! It looks to me like Boisclair caught Dumont not knowing his facts. WHAM! BAM! You know it's bad when Andre Boisclair makes you look inexperienced and not ready to govern.

Social Programs

7:13 pm: Jean Charest takes credit for increasing the Quebec birth rate. Who does this guy think he is? Pierre Trudeau?

7:27 pm: Charest: "Mr. Dumont, why are you saying the opposite of the truth?". Charest goes on to absolutely own Dumont on the topic of school boards.

Quebec's Political Future (Let's get ready to rummmmble!)

7:32 pm: Boisclair says that Charest accepted Trudeau's constitution. Huh? Charest was, like, 24 then. (hat tip to Antonio on that one)

7:35 pm: Boisclair doesn't answer what his "Plan B" is if a referendum fails. Dumont doesn't answer what constitutional powers he wants. They go back and forth on this for about three minutes.

7:40 pm: Boisclair attacks Charest for not demanding enough from Ottawa. Charest then lists everything he's squeezed out of Martin and Harper over the last four years.

7:43 pm: Boisclair compares the fiscal imbalance to giving a blood bank to a vampire. I'm not really sure how the metaphor works but I'm glad he didn't say "giving crack to an addict".

7:47 pm: Dumont says that the Counsel of Federation is a playground for Charest to go to Niagara Falls, Edmonton, and St. John's. Believe me - I live in Edmonton - and no one would consider a trip to Edmonton as a junket or perk.

So, all in all, I'd say Charest did what he had to do - he looked the most like a leader out there. Dumont really fizzled in my opinion. Of course, I'm sure people in Quebec may get a completely different impression from it so it'll be interesting to see tomorrow's media spin.

UPDATE: It's a small sample, but the overnight polls seem to have Dumont taking the debate. Go figure. (H/T Nottawa)

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  • Dumont seems to be badly under performing... He seems nervous and at times flustered.

    By Blogger Braeden Caley, at 9:50 PM  

  • Believe me - I live in Edmonton - and no one would consider a trip to Edmonton as a junket or perk.

    How are you "Calgary Grit" if you live in Edmonton?

    By Blogger IslandLiberal, at 10:08 PM  

  • The big loser tonight is Dumont

    Boisclair was on fire the first half...

    Charest took over in the second half...

    the big loser tonight is Mario Dumont

    By Blogger Antonio, at 10:21 PM  

  • Antonio, what planet are you on? :)

    Boisclair was the loser. A yappy lap dog. And he whispers.

    Dumont did not win.

    Charest won the whole thing. First half & second half.

    By Blogger Chuckercanuck, at 10:28 PM  

  • island; Was in Calgary when I started the blog...now at Uni here...

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 10:59 PM  

  • "Was in Calgary when I started the blog...now at Uni here..."

    So, after you graduate & start working and paying taxes for all those big programs, will you become EdmonTory?

    By Blogger Candace, at 11:04 PM  

  • Edmontory would be a good blog name. Not as good as Torontory, but still good.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 12:00 AM  

  • Hilarious! I couldn't stop laughing.

    By Blogger Duncan, at 12:02 AM  

  • I was going to say "Hilarious! I couldn't stop laughing." but then I scrolled down and see that some fool named duncan stole my line. Grrr.....

    Far more entertaining than actually watching it. Good job sir!

    By Blogger Prairie Fire, at 1:04 AM  

  • "lamenting how Quebecers' tax dollars are funding the oil sands."


    That didn't seriously happen, did it? Quebecois don't actually believe that any of their money goes to Alberta?

    Those "tarsands" they lament are polluting, non-renewable resources that provide them cheap heat and cheap gas. And the profits allow us to send them money to pay for programs we don't even have, like Quebec pension and daycare.

    We'd be happy to keep that crap in the ground if they prefer! It'll only be worth more in the future.

    By Blogger Robert Vollman, at 10:29 AM  

  • Well Antonio is wrong again. The Quebec press unanimously give the debate to Dumont. Charest is dead in the water with the "atomic bomb" dropped last night about the laval overpass.

    By Blogger s.b., at 1:10 PM  

  • More like cheap stunt than atomic bomb. I've seen this done before (Saskatchewan 2003 provincial election). It dosen't work.

    By Blogger Prairie Fire, at 2:08 PM  

  • CG

    Good job, very entertaining.

    As far as the "winner", I tend to defer to Chantal Hebert. Likely no great swing.


    By Blogger syncrodox, at 3:01 PM  

  • Overpass... as noted by all the papers, this refers to problems with the bridge that collapsed the on September 30 killing 5 people. The memo mentions concerns about cracking and degradation of the bridge in question, and is a huge smoking gun. Charest apparently didn't know of the memo and it will be VERY interesting to see how this plays out.

    I'm really rather surprised you didn't remember this. It was huge news across the country, they had to close another bridge, and there was a full exploration of who built the bridge and the circumstances that may explain why it went down (mobbed up construction firm hit by a vicious strike).

    By Blogger Hey, at 6:59 PM  

  • 7:32 pm: Boisclair says that Charest accepted Trudeau's constitution. Huh? Charest was, like, 24 then. (hat tip to Antonio on that one)

    Far be it for me to leap to Boisclair's defence but although Charest was only 22 when the Constitution was repatriated he was only 24 when we became an MP, 26 when he joined the cabinet and 35 when he came within a few hundred votes of being Prime Minister and became Deputy Prime Minister.

    By Blogger nbpolitico, at 12:01 AM  

  • for the record

    charest was 23

    thats what I had told dan

    its a smear campaign to make me look stupid, clearly


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