Glad I'm Not Alone
It seems a few other people are starting to worry about a Tory majority government...Conservatives.
It actually makes sense. A Harper majority means:
1. Martin leaves cleanly, without trying to stick around.
2. He'll be expected to follow through on his entire platform.
3. He won't be able to use the minority government excuse for "shifting to the centre". Because of this, his base will become mighty peeved when he doesn't deliver what they expect him to deliver.
4. The same sex marriage free vote he's promised might actually pass. That's one head-ache he probably doesn't want.
It actually makes sense. A Harper majority means:
1. Martin leaves cleanly, without trying to stick around.
2. He'll be expected to follow through on his entire platform.
3. He won't be able to use the minority government excuse for "shifting to the centre". Because of this, his base will become mighty peeved when he doesn't deliver what they expect him to deliver.
4. The same sex marriage free vote he's promised might actually pass. That's one head-ache he probably doesn't want.
posted by calgarygrit at
6:31 p.m.
30 Comments:
I wonder how the liberals will try to spin this to their advantage.
I'll give it a try:
"They're not ready to royally screw the country!"
"Only the Liberal Party has the croney infrastructure in place to blow your money!"
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Anonymous, at 6:41 p.m.
rest assured that harper's majority is far off still. his support in Quebec is despersed and he'll need at least 10 MP's from their to put him into majority territory.
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Anonymous, at 6:43 p.m.
Speaking of Martin leaving cleanly:
If Martin resigns on or soon after Jan 23rd, will he be the shortest-lived Liberal leader? I can't think of any Liberal leader who has had a shorter term. Turner and Pearson who were short-term leaders by Liberal standards were still around a lot longer than Martin.
Maybe that will be his legacy?
Matt
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Anonymous, at 6:50 p.m.
If Harper gets a majority, it will be horrible for this country. How many people are actually voting Conservative because they support his policies? Even the Conservatives aren't doing that!
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Jason Cherniak, at 6:59 p.m.
Jason, glad you're here. 'member when I said you were a fanatic? It's ok to be partisan, TO A POINT. CalgaryGrit is willing to call a spade a spade. If you want people to listen to what you have to say, you should try it sometime.
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Anonymous, at 7:03 p.m.
ME I support his policies and his HONESTY. . . a concept lost on PMPM & crew.
And IF there is a free vote on SSM and IF it passes the House, it will die at the Senate, but IF it did get past the Senate, the SSC which is 90% Liberal judges would kill it.
And HONEST STEVE said he'd not use NWC.
Its a dead issue. The free vote stuff is a way to defuse the thing by practising democracy. It ain't gonna happen but he can say "he didn't do it" to the folks in ALL Parties who want to try and revive it.
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Anonymous, at 7:04 p.m.
If Harper gets a majority - it will be wonderful for this country.
Like a breath of fresh air.
The Grits need to take some time, reflect, get a new leader, revisit their "Vision of Canada" and ..... well... see you in four years...
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Anonymous, at 7:24 p.m.
It won't get past the Senate, because the Liberals will still control the Senate (and will for a long time).
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Michael Fox, at 7:25 p.m.
Sweet simple Jason ... count me among the people supporting Harper cuz I like his policies. And the man.
Seems like I'm not alone in this.
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Anonymous, at 7:27 p.m.
Course if the Liberals stay,
Polygamy appears to the future of Canada.
Check out the Post for details.
Uhhhm, which party is supposed to be "radical" again???
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Anonymous, at 8:02 p.m.
Oh, and here's a thought.
Conservatism is no longer considered scary in this country.
Liberal/Corruption is.
You all, including you Calgary, better start getting used to that.
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Anonymous, at 8:05 p.m.
To the holdouts in the Toronto 905 area:
Do you really want to be known as the only area in Canada that is complacent to corruption,
that is ruled by fear, rather than hope.
Embrace a new hopeful future. Put the corrupt Liberals behind us.
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Anonymous, at 8:11 p.m.
what is wrong with polygamy??? furthermore, who the hell would go for polygamy, when you can just go to a swinger club and swap wives. All the benefits, none of the headaches. DUH
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Anonymous, at 8:50 p.m.
I think Martin leaves regardless of minority or majority. This whole election is about change and clean slates. I don't see how the Liberal power structure survives.
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Steve V, at 9:02 p.m.
And if Harper gets a minority, he will not be able to implement any conservative agenda. He'll only wait around for 8 months as the Libs regroup, get Ignatieff and then wait for the election.
When it happens, the media, WK et all will side with the Libs and tear Harper a new one.
And the last eight months will have been for not.
I do not think a majority will happen, but any conservative who thinks a minority could be used to prove themselves to the public and media is not seeing the big picture. The goal is always a majority.
If we do not get it now, do not expect it after Martin leaves.
This is it. The big show.
After this the media goes back to the new Liberal candidate.
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Nicol DuMoulin, at 9:12 p.m.
Liberals declare polygamy will never be legal in Canada.
Ummm...
This has a familiar ring to it, no?
From the "heard that one before" dept.
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Anonymous, at 9:14 p.m.
IloveyaP,
Actually that section could very well be unconstitutional.
Gay "rights" are part of Charter
(I know this is too graphic but true) Anal sex is an integral part of a male Gay relationship,
The legal age of consent is 14
It's thus descriminatory to say "Gay Sex" is illegal but hetero sex isn't.
Next time you open your yap about that which you appear to know little (citing the CC takes about zero insight), in such a condescending manner, you may want to think twice.
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Anonymous, at 9:43 p.m.
IloveyaP,
You said it was "illegal".
If that law is unconstitutional it is void. Got that sweety pie. Unconstitutional law, means no law, which means its not illegal.
Now why don't you spout off a few more cases and/or sections to try to show your prowess with the law.
And each time you do it, why don't you continue to try to distance yourself from your original point.
Course rather than spouting off a bunch of cases, which any hack who can do a google search can do, see my original post, go through the reasoning, and tell me how it's NOT unconstitutional.
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Anonymous, at 10:39 p.m.
Hey Love Lap boy,
That was your ass that chuckles just handed to you, in case you weren't sure.
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Anonymous, at 10:53 p.m.
Perhaps the best result for Harper would be a "strong minority" with 140-something MPs. It would be enough that he would almost certainly be able to get his economic agenda passed. (The Liberals, who would be in the midst of a painful rebuilding process, could be counted on to keep a few MPs at home for any money bill vote anyway.) The minority, however, would serve as the official excuse to social conservatives in caucus as to why they can't have a legislative bone tossed their way.
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Anonymous, at 11:03 p.m.
Keep backing up IloveP.
I love it.
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Anonymous, at 11:14 p.m.
I'll try a concrete example, cuz you seem to be all over the bloody place.
Man 18, has sex with his partner who's 17. It's anal sex because they are gay.
Crown prosecutor, who does the same analysis I did, choses not to proceed because he knows he doesn't have reasonable grounds to believe he can obtain a conviction.
Lawyers who show the slightest degree of analysis.....and.......what's that word I'm looking for........insight, yeah that's it, know that something is unconstitutional by judgeing the prevailing trends, and other related, though not necessarily on point, cases. That law is unconstitutional, and I don't need a judge to tell me that. Neither would a prosecutor.
Now, back to your original condescending point wherein you stated that "everyone knows" the section (of course you knew that not "everyone knew" that section verbatum).
Ironically while the guy you were dissing didn't know the exact section, he knew of the trends and general state of the law, and was in effect right. Whereas you, acting all superior, were in fact wrong.
And oh, yeah, I know plenty about the law.
Cheers.
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Anonymous, at 11:29 p.m.
Why I hate lawyer types:
as quoted by ilovelap.
"Whether a prosecutor decides to prosecute the law is at their discretion"
Why in the hell should a law that is in the books as ILLEGAL and have consequences become a whim for a prosecutor to decide whether it should be prosecuted.
It's the Liberal way. Get the right Liberal judge and prosecutor and people get away with murder or even better... steal hundreds of millions of dollars from the people of Canada and call it ADSCAM.
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Fighting for Democracy, at 12:55 a.m.
This is a screwball story BUT after 12-13 yrs in the wilderness, no one is 'ready aye ready'.
But Harper has been readying himself for this (and so has Flanagan)since Prestone was his mentor.
Delacourt is such a kidder and the Star is only just getting used to the idea that it will need to have tory sources in order to write stories about gov't.
Next...
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Anonymous, at 1:10 a.m.
Ilovep,
"Whether or not a prosecutor would try the case has no bearing on whether it is a illegal"
Chuckles'point was the opposite: it's unconstitutional, based on the state of the law, so the prosecutor decides not to go ahead. Nice try though.
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Anonymous, at 3:51 a.m.
Keep in mind that many heterosexuals have anal sex as well. (About 15% of the North American population, actually.) and some homosexuals do not, so this should not be linked to the issue as to whether gays should be equal before the charter.
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Anonymous, at 11:37 a.m.
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TORONTO STAR
Jan. 12, 2006. 02:27 PM
SUSAN DELACOURT
IN OTTAWA
Privately, and perhaps surprisingly, some Conservative strategists are saying they're hoping they don't find themselves with a majority government after the Jan. 23 vote.
"We're not ready for that," one Tory confided this week.
....
Tories are also worried about finding qualified staff, for a majority or minority.
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You can read the rest of the article on the Toronto star.
Where is the journalistic integrity in this article. She mentions a tory but doesn't give the story any credibility by not giving a name.
Is this Liberal newspaper paper saying with the help of Liberal propaganda supplied by the Liberal war room that the Conservatives really don't have any experience?
There is so many things wrong with this article.
-Is the Toronto Star saying basically that only people that are born Liberal and vote Liberal have experience to run a country?
-Is the Toronto Star saying that the Shadow Cabinets that opposition parties have run in government are worthless?
I would arguably say that a Shadow Cabinet is the longest running apprenticeship program in the world.
I guess the Toronto Star is saying that all training programs, apprenticeship programs and even articling students should just quit because this kind of experience just wouldn't work in a Liberal world.
-Is the Toronto Star saying that only Paul Martin is "experienced" enough to suffle his cabinet around on a whim and appoint anyone within his caucus to Cabinet and that these people have "magical" experience.
-Does the Toronto Star explain how someone like Belinda Stronach with less than 2 years of political experience "earned" a Cabinet postion?
The Toronto Star just showed Canada it's lack of integrity and the hypocrisy by printing this article.
I'm not making this up.
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Fighting for Democracy, at 11:40 a.m.
More generally, the problem with winning elections is that the day after, you have to actually govern.
Some have it, and some don't.
The don'ts - Dief, Joe Who, Kimmie and Dithers
The haves : P.E.T. , the Chin, Da Liddle Guy.
I'm undecided which list John Turner belongs to.
Having watched Harper since his Reform days, I think he's a have, but you never know.
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Anonymous, at 4:33 p.m.
The Star story is illogical. What idiot would propose that running a minority government is easier than running a majority? Anyway, if the tories get desperate, there'll be several unemployed Liberals looking for work as advisers ..... OTOH, perhaps that's not the kinda help anyone needs.
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