Tuesday, January 10, 2006

Ad Lib

The latest batch of Liberal ads are out and we've finally hit the motherload of attacks ads we all knew was coming.

I don't have time for a full review yet but let me just say they are very, very negative but the few I've looked at could be very, very effective. Now, we'll finally get to see how well Harper has inoculated himself against the demonization attempts.

UPDATE: The Tories have two new ads out, including a really really vicious attack ad on Martin - they've got the CSL flags and the private health care jabs included.

85 Comments:

  • At best, this may chase a few stray sheep back home, but that's about it. You have to have some credibility of your own to get started in the attack ad business, and Junior threw all of his away last night on the Notwithstanding Clause gambit. In an odd twist, the ad may end up benefitting Layton more than the Liberals, if in fact voters decide that the best way to keep an eye on Harper is to leave him with a minority. The public has already given up on Martin, and attack ads won't change that.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:31 PM  

  • As Kinsella says, scare tactics won't work this time.

    People are VERY VERY tired of these Liberal lines. It didn't work against George Bush, no matter how hard people screamed about it. Canada is a different breed altogether - but I suspect Canadians are wising up to this sort of thing. Just take a listen to the radio stations. People are willing to tolerate a "Scary" Tory government...they are not prepared to tolerate a Liberal government who will obliterate the Charter to save their own bacon or say anything to get elected.

    Watch and see.

    By Blogger Jonathan, at 2:36 PM  

  • Isn't it so sad that after 13 years in office the Liberals cannot run on their record, and instead have to resort to the "sure we're bad, but they are scary" tactics?

    By Anonymous Donald C., at 2:39 PM  

  • Wells is right...they are nuclear! Targeted hits at Harper. No verbal mention of the word Liberal, very short shot of the party logo at the end.

    The American consultants called into the War Room are clearly at work. The verbal message sounds very, very similar to a voice radio add I heard this morning attacking the nomination of Judge Alito to the USSC. Judging by the text and tone, probably the same group of consultants. Even the narrator's voice is similar...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:40 PM  

  • We all knew it was coming at this time. With Martin's brainfart last night about the notwithstanding clause, he's sure given the other three parties ammo for their own negative ads, I am sure they are in the editing suite as we speak!

    I can see it now, pictures of Cuba, Iran, China and the Canada with a tagline something like "Canada the true North strong and NO LONGER free" , fade in picture of vet with tear in his eye.

    By Blogger CanadianTruth, at 2:44 PM  

  • Have to say it..

    THEY WENT NEG!


    Anyhow, I love their new slogan. It's very hopeful.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:45 PM  

  • Somebody still believes in the Liberals. Somebody had to loan them the money to run these since they got caught stealing.

    Anyways it doesn't matter anymore. Martin and his Liberals have proven that they morally bankrupt and so void of ideas nobody is paying them any attention. Martin could shave his ass and walk backwards now and nobody would even look. Oh somebody might say, he thinks it will get acouple of extra votes in the gay community.

    Now Martin can go back to CSL and fly those foreign flags with pride. Nope, let the little Canadians pay the taxes.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:51 PM  

  • Scenario: If you were a really dumb person, which Liberal ad scares you the most?

    I can think of a good NDP ad using the Liberal ad...

    Choose your poison

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:52 PM  

  • I don't think these ads will be effective since most of the points raised in them have been discussed before in the 2004 election. They may have the effect of scaring away some NDP support but may also drive some soft Liberal or undecided support towards the Conservatives. A big gamble.

    By Anonymous Linda, at 2:54 PM  

  • Martin attacks Harper on Iraq.

    So on CPAC and Adler on line, Charles starts reading off all the Martin quotes over the past several years on Iraq.

    Great move by the buckie jr. braintrust?

    They put their guy right in the crosshairs of the entire country.

    They then attack Harper for his stand on Kyoto.

    buckie jr.'s braintrust forgets that this slam against Harper and the United States is a slam on an America which has reduced greenhouse gas emissions.

    Canada, following buckie jr.'s leadership under Kyoto has seen an increase of 25% in emissions.

    Perhaps the world's environmentalists should be thankful the US didn't follow the Kyoto dance. Imagine if their emissions were to have gone up by 25%?

    buckie jr. and his braintrust seem to figure Canadians are so stupid they don't pay attention to reality.

    Tired

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:05 PM  

  • Harper and family strolling in the park - a little laughter, a little chit chat perhaps - voice over (preferably a woman in her 50's or 60's) "The Liberals want you to hate this man, Stephen Harper, a man who's dedicated his adult life to the service of Canada. They hope that hate will blind you to their own misdeeds. On January 23, stand up to Liberal bullying. Stand up for Canada. Vote Conservative."

    Damn I'm good.

    OC

    By Blogger Alan, at 3:09 PM  

  • They'll work. Some, at least.

    By Anonymous Paul Wells, at 3:12 PM  

  • Yawn. That's really my impression of the fear and smear attacks. It's old, tired, rehashed, been-done-before, and it's not going to work this time.

    By Blogger RGM, at 3:15 PM  

  • If these work, then I agree, Ontario is full of sheeple.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:17 PM  

  • Or lemmingples.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:22 PM  

  • Martin on January 9th - around 9pm:

    "Now, I do not believe there should be personal attacks."

    Martin on January 10th around noon:

    Launches the largest series of personal attack ads in Canadian political history.


    What an ass.

    By Blogger Don, at 3:29 PM  

  • Of course they'll work... 'cause there's a tiny grain of truth in all of them... and often that's enough... disingenuous as they may be. In any case... it's fair game in this day and age... sad as that may be too.
    Just happy to see SOME spirit left!!

    By Anonymous Lachapelle, at 3:29 PM  

  • The Liberal Party of Paul Martin will stop at nothing; under his consciousless sway, it has no scruples - nor core values except power.

    Is this what you want to support, Liberals who care for Canada? Why don't you sit this election out, replace your leader with someone with a soul, and come back out to vote when your party isn't lead by corrupt men?

    I am a Conservative. But I would sooner vote for Jack Layton than Martin.

    Why?

    As a socialist, I believe he's wrong. But I don't believe he's "evil" or in politics just for himself - and Martin's record leads me to conclude that he has much to explain about his actions.

    And words are a form of action.

    I used to support Martin, but I have come to conclude that he lies and worse on a constant basis.

    If you vote him back in power, Quebec separatism is renewed for a very good reason: Because the Liberal Party of Canada will have practiced massive corruption in Quebec and Canada will have done nothing about it.

    Do something about it.

    By Anonymous Chris from Victoria, BC, at 3:31 PM  

  • Just like last night, do we have the same anonymous person posting all the anti-Liberal comments every five minutes?

    Buddy, maybe it's time to get a hobby.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:51 PM  

  • Wheeee-oooh. That's a hell of a raft of ads.

    By Anonymous Edmonton Mike, at 4:02 PM  

  • Paul Wells is right in that the ads will have some effect.

    But do folks really think that the CPC ads won't also have an effect? How about simply the news of another RCMP investigation? How about news that the Libs are already on the hunt for a new leader?

    After the leaders debate the reporters in the scrum were openly mocking Martin and his Notwith. stunt. Ever see a full page ad in a national paper? Not very often I bet. It's very expensive. How bout a full page article about how Harper is no longer scary? That's free and its happenening every day. And I can tell you those articles are viewed a lot more credibly than ads from a corrupt party.

    The ads will have an effect in isolation only. In the sea of negative exposure of the Libs, it won't matter.

    Ads can't change reality. And reality is the country just doesn't want the Libs to govern any more.

    On the 23rd it won't even be close.

    By Anonymous Chester, at 4:03 PM  

  • Quote: "I am a Conservative. But I would sooner vote for Jack Layton than Martin.

    "Why?

    "As a socialist, I believe he's wrong. But I don't believe he's "evil" or in politics just for himself - and Martin's record leads me to conclude that he has much to explain about his actions."

    Translation courtesy Walter Sobchak, of The Big Lebowski: "Nihilists! Fuck me. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos."

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:11 PM  

  • The effectiveness of these ads depends soley on their air time, and the perception of the viewers. Are the conservative votes sticky? Does this cause a "second look"?

    By Blogger Lore Weaver, at 4:13 PM  

  • The ads work.....for the 2004 election. I don't think they'll work for 06, however, because the Liberals have lost the "Sweet Spot"

    As my Ad Executive buddy in Toronto tells me, the "Sweet Spot" is when a product truth meets a consumer truth. The Liberal's product truth is "Stephen Harper is very scary" Had they run these adds in 2004 (although they went negative in 2004 nothing as nuclear as this), I think the Liberals could have destroyed Harper and formed a majority. He was new, people were unsure about what he stood for, and they didn't know him.....product truth meets consumer truth. In fact aren't these the ads Kinsella kindly suggested they run in 2004?

    The Liberals have since lost their edge in the consumer truth.... People are more comfortable with Harper, he has defined himself, and he has a message....hence no more "Sweet Spot" or for negative ads should it be the "Sour Spot"? Hence, their consumer truth will not be heard.

    The Conservatives on the other hand have found their "Sweet Spot" in 2006: Consumer Truth = The Liberals are tired and corrupt, Product Truth = We have a plan to bring change and accountability.

    Don

    By Anonymous A fed up canadian, at 4:13 PM  

  • I am a Conservative. ... As a socialist,

    Do you mean Martin's a socialist, or you're a socialist? If you're a socialist, how are you a Conservative?

    I'm curious more than anything -- if you can come up with an answer, you might make me vote Tory. But when Martin says "we cut taxes for low- and middle-income Canadians" and Harper responds with "we're going to cut taxes for everybody", it seems to imply that Harper doesn't believe quite as strongly as I do in progressive taxation.

    Not that I believe anything Martin says anymore either -- the interchanges between the two just served to highlight things I don't like about the Tory platform, though.

    By Anonymous Edmonton Mike, at 4:15 PM  

  • Edmonton Mike:

    Bad sentence, bad comprehension, offsetting minors so no one goes to the box.

    He'll vote for Smiling Jack despite the fact that he's a socialist because he does have the best interests of the country at heart, however (severely) misguided his understanding of those interests is.

    PMjr is simply afraid for himself and is following the Louisian tactic of "apres moi, le deluge".

    By Anonymous annextraitor, at 4:18 PM  

  • Ah, I see now. Thanks.

    By Anonymous Edmonton Mike, at 4:21 PM  

  • For the ads to be effective, all they have to do is give the leery a reason not to vote for Harper. There are plenty of people in this country who are going to hold their nose when they vote Conservative. And some of them, if not many of them, want any reason they can think of not to do it. If they can latch onto these ads, then so be it. You can never go wrong by underestimating the intelligence of Canadian voters. They want a reason to run back home to daddy.

    I was standing in line at the ATM yesterday and some flaming homosexual was talking to his boyfriend about how scary Harper is. There was no thought process behind this – it’s simply a gut reaction. The less Canadians have to think about an ad, the better it is. For all that was said and done last night, I think Martin won the debate by simply dragging up the old Harper quotes – it’s going to stick and it’s going to cost the Conservatives big time.

    These ads will work. And it’s sad because it’s a reflection on the intelligence of Canadians. But as I’ve mentioned elsewhere, the Liberals are the natural governing party of Canada because they believe in nothing and have no ideas. If that doesn’t describe the typical Ontario voter, I don’t know what does. A party that preaches soft nihilism will win every time in this country, no matter how corrupt or useless they are.

    By Anonymous leofff, at 4:38 PM  

  • The Liberals are grabbing at straws. Instead of bringing postive messages about their policies and trying to reinforce them; all they can do is attack Harper. People want postive messages and postive ideas; Harper has them and are telling people about them.

    I called this earlier on my own blog
    www.fightingfordemocracy.blogspot.com

    The Liberals are using there typical 3 step Policital defense plan.

    By Blogger Fighting for Democracy, at 4:43 PM  

  • Wonder if anyone cares that the Liberals hired American ad consultants to do these ad's?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:43 PM  

  • leofff,

    "I was standing in line at the ATM yesterday and some flaming homosexual was talking to his boyfriend about how scary Harper is. There was no thought process behind this – it’s simply a gut reaction."

    Uhhhhhhhhh or maybe he likes the idea of being treated with full equality by the government he pays taxes to... CRAZY I KNOW.

    By Anonymous andrew, at 4:46 PM  

  • It would seem to be bad campaign strategy to launch these ads when there is a debate left. Tonight, the other leaders - and journalists - can take Martin to task on his contradiction between last night (be nice) and today (get him). I can only imagine that their tracking polls this morning showed no traction from the NWC announcement and perhaps a solidification of Tory leaning voters. It was now or never.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:49 PM  

  • Leoff

    I don't think Harper was getting "some flaming homosexual"'s vote, with or without the ads.

    It's how it will play with soccer moms and dads.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:51 PM  

  • Anonymous

    I suspect you will be singing a different tune in a week.

    In two weeks I suspect you will be posting about Western seperation ... again.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:14 PM  

  • Wow... their pretty needy alright. Martin should have fired Scott Reid and hired Kinsella. Course, Kinsella would have insisted on giving him a good assfucking before taking the job, but man can the Lib war room crater anymore than they have?

    By Anonymous William Macdonell, at 5:21 PM  

  • "leofff,

    "I was standing in line at the ATM yesterday and some flaming homosexual was talking to his boyfriend about how scary Harper is. There was no thought process behind this – it’s simply a gut reaction."

    Uhhhhhhhhh or maybe he likes the idea of being treated with full equality by the government he pays taxes to... CRAZY I KNOW.

    By andrew, at 2:46 PM "

    WHY WHY WHY didn't they all agree to just have civil unions for EVERYONE and they could have avoided this whole MESS.

    ~B

    By Blogger Blogette, at 5:32 PM  

  • The fact is, is that it is very, very important that we properly outline the fundamental differences in values between us and the CPC nothwithstanding (can I still use that word?) our call for civility.

    I believe that they will work to some degree by drawing soft NDP support back to the Lib fold because Layton let his window of opportunity slam shut last night with his Third Rate-Third Option performance

    Here's hoping I don't get sued for plagiarism with that first paragraph

    Ken

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:37 PM  

  • Just saw on Duffy an ad about military in our cities.

    Soldiers in our cities "with guns".

    Rather than having them there for things like ice storms, and floods, the Libs portray it as some sort of military takeover (BTW we have thousands of cops with guns in our cities)

    How many guns did you see in the ice storm rescue effort? That's right, none.

    Here's the difference: The CPC's ads are negative because they described the public record of the Libs, literally word for word, the record. They were embroiled in a scandal. That's negative.

    The Libs resort to good old fashioned dishonesty for their ads.

    Anybody with at least a grade two education would see the dishonesty in that ad.

    They'll backfire alright. The reason is that they will be viewed as unfair.

    Recall the effect of the Chretien expression ad.

    There's so many aspects of this campaign that are similar to Kim Cambell's route.

    Bye bye Liberals.

    By Anonymous Biff, at 5:48 PM  

  • >some flaming homosexual was talking to his boyfriend about how scary Harper is<

    >WHY WHY WHY didn't they all agree to just have civil unions for EVERYONE and they could have avoided this whole MESS<

    This is the mentality of the Harperites who want to run Canada.

    By Anonymous Paul Raposo, at 5:49 PM  

  • Paul Raposo is right:

    Get Mike Klander back in there.

    By Blogger Chuckercanuck, at 5:57 PM  

  • These ads may or may not work, but my sense from watching them is that they are so over the top, so thinly sourced, so clearly an act of desperation on the part of the Liberals, that they'll land with a thud. They're almost impossible to watch with a straight face.

    That said, I'm a lawyer, not an advertising executive or a political strategist, so this is not my field of expertise. We may look back at these in two weeks time and credit them with pulling the Liberals back into the race.

    What I will say, with great certainty, is that these ads make me thankful I am not a Liberal supporter this time around. These are absolutely disgraceful campaign spots. They are a discredit to a great national party, they are an insult to the voters they are purporting to reach, and they can have no effect except to coarsen political dialogue in this country. They are so far beyond the ads run by the Conservatives to date in terms of pure bile that there are simply no means of comparison.

    If this is Paul Martin's last stand, what a putrid way to end an otherwise honourable political career.

    By Anonymous Sean, at 6:00 PM  

  • The Liberals should be sued for the lies that permeate these ads.

    It's ironic that they state "we're not allowed to make things up", when that's exactly what they've done in some of these.

    These ads will backfire. They go to far. Paul Martin is finished.

    By Blogger Toronto Tory, at 6:05 PM  

  • As "some homosexual" (not sure how "flaming" I am) who is going to the polls with his boyfriend on Jan 23rd to vote Tory, I'd suggest some more respectful language please.

    You have to understand that same-sex marriage is a huge issue to many homosexuals, albeit not all, and there are legitimate concerns regarding Harper's position on that issue.

    I know many gay friends who are both fiscally conservative and believe the Liberals deserve defeat, but get turned off by comments such as "some flaming homosexuals".

    Matt

    By Anonymous Matt, at 6:06 PM  

  • They've already pulled the military in Canadian cities one, but CTV has archived it on its website. The fuse may already be lit.

    Springer should be here any minute to blow a gasket over it again.

    Not that it isn't justified.

    By Anonymous john g, at 6:24 PM  

  • Wow, I hadn't even seen the about Harper's military proposals when I wrote that post above.

    That may well be the most repugnant thing I've ever seen on Canadian television. It is offensive beyond all measure.

    I was equivocal earlier, but I now think these will backfire in a serious, serious way. One or two of these, in isolation, might have gotten the point across, but the sheer number of them, combined with the jaw-dropping content, will absolutely offend Canadians' sense of fair play.

    Chantal Hebert was right last night on CBC. The Liberals might as well ground their campaign plane after tonight, if this is the best they can do.

    By Anonymous Sean, at 6:27 PM  

  • Review of the foreign language ads (hindi/punjabi)
    these are like the positive 30 million reasons to vote Liberal ads. Looks like they know these groups are already Liberal so no need to demonize Harper.

    I disagree with some commentators who hate the attack ads. They are telling the truth. It's Harper's own words.

    By Blogger mezba, at 6:31 PM  

  • Negative ad they have a history of failing when they are this late in a campaign. Negative ads are ok but these are too extreme.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:33 PM  

  • >Get Mike Klander back in there.<

    What has Klander said about homosexuals and ssm, chuckercanuck?

    By Anonymous Paul Raposo, at 6:38 PM  

  • >You have to understand that same-sex marriage is a huge issue to many homosexuals, albeit not all, and there are legitimate concerns regarding Harper's position on that issue.<

    Matt, as clear as it is that Martin and many in the Lib party haven't exactly been Pink Panthers in regards to ssm and as much as I respect anyone's right to vote for whom they choose; why will you vote Tory?

    How will you feel if a vote is called and ssm is overturned and a law put in place making osm the only legal form of marriage in Canada? Sure you'll have your 6%GST, but at what cost?

    By Anonymous Paul Raposo, at 6:42 PM  

  • Mezba, when was it Harper said he wanted soldiers with guns. in our cities. on our streets. with guns. (we can't make this stuff up).

    You see, I think your guys did make that one up. I think they pulled that one fully formed out of their butts.

    But if you can say where Harper said that in his own words, I'll happily take that back.

    It's ok, take your time, I'll wait.

    By Anonymous Peter, at 6:45 PM  

  • The Liberals should be sued for the lies that permeate these ads.

    Can't take a punch?

    Sorry, sorry, couldn't resist. lol

    By Blogger A BCer in Toronto, at 6:59 PM  

  • With all due respect to everyone on here, is anyone denying Harper said many of those comments? About Canada being a second-tier socialist country? About the "Asian immigrant" comments? Is he being misquoted? Is the concern that Harper doesn't feel that way anymore and is being misrepresented, or that you just don't think what he said is offensive. I've never heard him repudiate his previous stands, so why should I believe Harper now? I'm not trying to flame the Conservative supporters, and I'm no fan of Martin, I just would like to know why people consider these quotes "lies"

    By Anonymous AndrewM, at 7:01 PM  

  • Paul Raposo and Mezba are your typical Libbies. They are blissfully unaware of Liberal broken promises, the lies, the stolen money, etc.

    Remember how the Liberals said they would fix Healthcare. When was it broken? The Liberals have been in power for 12 years and didn't notice it?

    Remeber how the Liberals said they would fix the Environment. When was it damaged? The Liberals have been in power for 12 years and just noticed it now? Hasn't Canada's emissions increased during the Liberal rein?

    Remember how the Liberals said they would fix Daycare. Where did these children come from? The Liberals have been in power for 12 years and just noticed in the last month that families have been asking for lower taxes and support for their children.

    Liberals are the biggest hypocrites that Canada has even seen.

    By Blogger Fighting for Democracy, at 7:06 PM  

  • HAHHAHAH... Liberanos screw up the negative ads and as Rosemary Thompson said: THEY RETREATED.

    ARMY IN THE STREETS WITH GUNS.

    Weak kneed Liberals fold and Martin runs away.....

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:11 PM  

  • Craig Oliver: They should close the naval base in Esquaimalt before the frigates open up on Victoria.


    HAHHAHAHH YOU SUCK MARTIN!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:11 PM  

  • andrewm,

    It's easy to take a snippet or paraphase a speech from any politican to make a point.

    Check the source and read the entire speech to find the truth.

    I'm sure Stephen Harper will respond to all these attack ads during tonight's debate.

    I have always trusted the Conservative philosophy and Stephen Harper as a honest and ethical man.

    By Blogger Fighting for Democracy, at 7:12 PM  

  • 45 minutes of this countdown and I'M EATING IT UP!

    MILITARY IN THE STREETS

    THEY WILL RUN YOU DOWN WITH A TANK

    MILITARY IN THE STREETS

    SNIPERS WITH THEIR SIGHTS SET ON YOUR FOREHEAD

    MILITARY IN THE STREETS

    YOU MIGHT GET DRAFTED OFF THE STREET AND SENT TO IRAQ

    CHOOSE YOUR CANADA

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:18 PM  

  • Backlash

    Military groups outraged at suggestion military would be danger to their own citizens Re: Lib military ad

    THE AD HAS BEEN PULLED AMID BACKLASH (CTV REPORTING)

    CTV is all over this. They're openly disgusted. Craig Oliver just said that they should close the Nanaimo base for fear of shelling Victoria.

    The Libs' desperation moves are making them sink fast.

    By Anonymous Biff, at 7:19 PM  

  • Why do the new ads have the Terminator 2 theme song in the background.... Go listen its the same song I swear.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:26 PM  

  • Any political party who would put together an ad attacking Canada's armed forces should be disbanded like Canada's Airborne was after their actions were deemed unacceptable.

    Canada's soldiers have defended freedom in our country. Period.

    Canada's army literally forged our nation on the battlefield at Vimy Ridge.

    As our troops landed on Juno Beach in 1944, they carried the Canadian banner with them.

    This ad attacks the honour and integrity of our troops.

    Pulling it is not enough.

    I would never, and I mean NEVER want to admit I was a supporter of a Liberal party who would conceive or place such an ad.

    Calgary Grit, are you a proud Liberal tonight?

    A proud Canadian?

    Or are you simply a Martinite?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:28 PM  

  • Fighting for democracy at 5:06, again you assume I am voting Liberal just because I pointed out something bad about Harper. There are other parties running in the campaign as well.

    Most of the ads are Harper's words, he ain't denying it so why should you? Also, as for Peter at 4:45, Harper said early in the campaign he would like army bases close to the cities so they can respond in an emergency and be on city streets.

    Again, each of the negative ads use Harper's own words. His comments about the Asian immigrants is downright racist. And this is your top man, Tories.

    By Blogger mezba, at 7:46 PM  

  • Shut up chow chow.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:55 PM  

  • Calgary,

    I hope your being sarcastic about the CPC ad being "vicious". It's not even in the same universe as the Libs ads, particularily that one which hangs the men and women who put our lives on the line out for us, out to dry for the Libs political gain.

    Nor are they in the same universe as the "gun in your face" ads or woman's fetal position ads of last election.

    Amazing how the CPC can't even bring up a current government's record, the Libs feel free to imply our military will take over our streets is some coup.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:02 PM  

  • Paul Raposo,

    Even if a free vote turns down SSM, I doubt that Harper will use the notwithstanding clause to enforce that. Despite what a lot of Tories claim, I believe you DO need to invoke the notwithstanding clause to take away SSM. I think SSM is a done deal regardless of what most of the Tories and a fair number of Liberals want.

    I disagree with Harper for even trying to take away SSM, but I think it is safe.

    Also, even though SSM is a very important issue to me, it isn't the only issue of importance to me. The Liberals deserve time in the wildnerness, and the Tories are the only party that can do that. I agree with most of the Tory platform.

    I'm not exactly a Harper accolade, but given the options, I'd prefer a Tory minority over the other options.

    Matt

    By Anonymous Matt, at 8:23 PM  

  • The contribution ad was ok, but should have been worded as such.

    "Harper has refused to reveal his contributors. We know that Aliens from mars, who want to anally probe you, like him. Maybe they gave him some money. I also heard that your mother-in-law likes them. I bet she gave some of her inheritance to him."

    Sheesh. I don't mind ads with a grain of truth, but those with none and are based on speculation...ptthhhbt!

    By Blogger Ster-Dogg, at 8:31 PM  

  • The old one two: first you baffle the electorate with an off the cuff rewriting of the Constitution then you insult the Canadian military by implying they are a threat to Canadians.

    The Holy Dumpling has lost this election - the only question is by how much.

    By Blogger jaycurrie, at 10:58 PM  

  • See the video of Duffy v. Duffy here.

    By Anonymous groovy-on-granville, at 11:32 PM  

  • mezba,

    Again you are showing your Liberal ignorance. Conservatives speak the truth and point out the facts. Sometimes people don't like to hear the truth.

    Perhaps the Liberal voter should learn from Martin Luther King.
    -------------------------------------
    Martin Luther King, Jr.:

    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."

    By Blogger Fighting for Democracy, at 11:33 PM  

  • Someone said something about Harper being misquoted.

    These are the five biggies

    "Stephen Harper: Canada appears content to become a second-tier socialistic country, boasting ever more loudly about its economy and social services to mask its second –rate status, led by a second-world strongman appropriately suited for the task. …. Any country with Canada’s insecure smugness and resentment can be dangerous.” National Post December 8 2000/ http://www.stephenharpersaid.ca/

    Stephen Harper: “Canada is a Northern Welfare state in the worst sense of the term, and very proud of it.”
    http://www.cbc.ca/canadavotes/leadersparties/harper_speech.html (1997)

    Stephen Harper: “I delivered [speeches] everywhere I went … about the spirit of defeatism in the country”

    National Post, May 31 2002



    Stephen Harper: “Whether Canada ends up as one national government or two national governments or several national governments, or some other kind of arrangement is, quite frankly, secondary in my opinion. http://thetyee.ca/News/2004/05/20/So_What_DID_Harper_Say/ (On the 1995 Quebec referendum)

    Stephen Harper: “west of Winnipeg the ridings the Liberals hold are dominated by people who are either recent Asian immigrants or recent migrants from eastern Canada: people who live in ghettoes and who are not integrated into western Canadian society.”

    http://www.stephenharpersaid.ca/ Report Magazine Jan 2001

    Liberals should cut out the drums and commentary and let Harper do the talking.

    By Blogger Koby, at 11:37 PM  

  • "Liberals should cut out the drums and commentary and let Harper do the talking".

    They tried that first. For 6 weeks.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:05 AM  

  • Another Big Lebowski reference:

    "Nothing's fucked? The goddamn plane has crashed into the mountain!"

    By Anonymous phil, at 12:37 AM  

  • Sometimes a party has to lose in order to improve and sometimes it has to be defeated utterly.



    (As I said on Rosemary Thompson's CTV blog...)

    I SAW THE CANADIAN FORCES ATTACK AD ON THE ***LIBERAL WEBSITE***.

    Why have the Liberals removed the advertisement from their website where they implied Stephen Harper was conspiring to lead the Canadian Forces into a military dictatorship by, somehow, controlling the second-largest country in the world with 100-regular (Canadian) soldiers and 400-(Canadian) reservists in our largest cities?

    I thought Stephen Harper said he was doing this to provide for Canadian protection in the event of a disaster. You know, Katrina, earthquake, tsunami, ice storm, avian flu, terrorism. Real things that are happening around the world. I was a Canadian infantry reservist (*snowed in* in Port Alberni, BC in fact!) when my reserve unit was deployed in Victoria helping seniors, shut-ins, and others during the 1996 snow storm.

    Imagine how surprised I am to realize our real purpose was not to defend Canada from tyranny like against Hitler and Tojo as the far braver and more heroic members of my old unit did in years past, but to strike terror into Victorians by oppressing them with our "guns".

    Do Paul Martin and his fear-mongering Liberal strategists deserve to lead our amazing country? Or is there a better mainstream alternative?

    STAND UP FOR CANADA

    By Anonymous Chris from Victoria, Bc, at 1:29 AM  

  • As a Canadian Armed Forces veteran, who has served overseas in active war zones, who has lost friends in the line of duty, I am appalled by the way that the Liberal Party of Canada has chosen to vilify the men and women who wear the uniform of Canada.

    I lived and served in a city that HAD a military presence; and the economy of that urban centre flourished because of that military presence. Then, the Liberal government shut down the base and moved it to a Liberal-held riding.

    Yes, we do have soldiers in this country. They DO carry rifles and other weaponry. They also train with it. They do this to defend the "Canadian values" that Paul "junior" Martin constantly rambles on about. It is "soldiers with guns. In our cities" that make Canada a nation where we have the right to vote and speak our minds freely. These same soldiers have bled, been maimed and DIED so that arrogant, milquetoast scumbags like Pierre Trudeau, Jean Chretien and Paul Martin can make a ton of illegitimate cash and enjoy a lifestyle that most of us can never comprehend.

    The absolute nerve and audacity that these Liberals have, to infer that having regular and reserve force soldiers (who enhance the character and fabric of our communities) in our communities is a bad thing??? By the Liberal logic and rationale, our military is considered to be evil, and must be expelled from cities - if not the nation. What about the job we did during the 1997 Manitoba flood? How many homes, families and human lives were saved by having "soldiers with guns. In our cities"???? Without them, a lot of Manitoba Liberal ridings would have been under water!

    The Liberal Party of Canada is truly sick! These arrogant, twisted, treasonous lemmings have no place in Canadian society any more. I cannot believe that anyone that truly loves this nation can stomache such an attack on the men and women who defend it. May they be cast out of Parlaiment forever.

    By Anonymous Dean, at 7:23 AM  

  • Koby,

    posting quotes about the truth about Canada and the direction Canada was headed in because of Liberal policy is a good thing. Honesty is a good policy; Liberals lies are not.

    Perhaps I should use Liberal philosophy and create my own ads about Paul Martin based on his record in government.

    Paul Martin cut health transfer payments to the provinces and the result was hundreds of thousands of deaths because people couldn't get the health care they needed. NEWFLASH! PAUL MARTIN IS THE WORST MASS MURDERED THE COUNTRY OF CANADA HAS EVER SEEN.

    Paul Martin and his Liberal government is so soft on laws and punishment that gun violence and child molestation are running this country.
    NEWSFLASH! PAUL MARTIN IS THE WORST CHILD MOLESTER AND GUN RUNNER THE COUNTRY OF CANADA HAS EVER SEEN.

    It's easy to make blanket statements as long as you have some base to start from. The problem is no one will believe my statments listed above about Paul Martin and no one should believe any statements from the Liberal party in any ad.

    Liberal ads twist the truth and never explain the context in which any quote was used.

    ----------------------------------------------

    Martin Luther King, Jr.:

    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity"
    -----------------------------------------------

    The Liberal Party and Liberal voters should learn from Martin Luther King.

    By Blogger Fighting for Democracy, at 10:05 AM  

  • Wow. Reading all of the comments certainly indicates that we're in quite a political quandry at this point in time. In my opinion, it seems no matter which way you vote, you're taking your chances. I agree that it's high time that the Liberals and their 12 years of arrogant rule are brought to their knees. On the other hand, voting for Harper is like taking a trip into the unknown. He's been itching to become PM for some time now. Like most politicians, I don't trust him. If his government resembles Mulroney's, I fear the outcome. "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." I hope that whatever party is elected (2 wks to go is a LONG time in a campaign) wins with a minority government so that there may be at least some balance of ideas. In the last Parliament, it seems that the NDP at least were able to pull in the reigns to a certain degree on the Liberals and force their hand on some issues. Either a Liberal OR a Conservative majority would be detrimental to the country. And as for an NDP majority (or even minority)? Keep dreaming. Better chances of winning the lottery!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:30 PM  

  • I know everyone and their sister has been on the Libs' case for running a bad campaign. However, even though I suspect they were hoping not to be down in the polls at this time, this is clearly their contingency plan in the event they were.

    I have a feeling these ads were designed to be pulled out at exactly this time in the event that Liberal fortunes had taken a turn for the worse. The Libs are so much better at long-term strategy than the Cons that there is simply no comparison.

    I know many will disagree with me right away, but think about it. We know that these kinds of ads work, the last election proved that. Moreover, this round of ads appear to be an even better product (even if some of them don't employ altogether complete English sentences).

    They were released on the heels of "scary" polls that show the Cons in a possible majority situation. Thus, they will play off any fears that those polls generate.

    Finally, some are controversial enough to grab the media's full attention, virtually guaranteeing that the ads themselves will be viewed by more Canadians than if the Libs were forced to rely on their website and on airing times alone.

    The support for the Cons is largely hesitant and soft support. It will collapse very quickly. These ads will make the difference. I predict on Jan. 24 that we will see them as the turning point. Bold this prediction may be, but I truly see this happening.

    I am by no means a Lib supporter, but I can admit that the party I intend to support has a long way to go before equalling the Libs in terms of campaign tactics and strategy. Until the Cons learn to be as ruthless as the Libs, they will forever be doomed to Parliamentary opposition.

    By Anonymous Gilby, at 2:52 PM  

  • Long live Liberal
    Long live Canada
    Long live Paul Martin

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:41 PM  

  • Gilby: too bad the ad the media chose to run all the time is the one on the military that's been pulled.

    Oops.

    By Blogger Candace, at 2:33 AM  

  • How about this for an attack ad -

    "so who takes over if Harper dies while in office? Doris Day perhaps? Jason 'the weenie'? Rob 'mind o' a flea' Anders? Art 'the hangman' Hanger? Dianne 'God I love Miriam' Ablonczy? The Calgary Sun (they run Alberta, don't they)?
    So many to choose from"

    By Blogger fuddleduddle, at 9:37 AM  

  • Boy, what a bunch of losers you are. Why do you think the attach ads coming from the Liberals are so much offensive than the ones coming from the Conservatives? Tell me, I'd sure like to know. You guys out there have a one track mind and common sense really doesn't come into your way of thinking does it?

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