Thursday, June 22, 2006

Rona Lives

A lot of people are saying the Liberals lacked guts with their abstention on the NDP motion calling for Rona Ambrose to resign.

Personally, I find a motion asking for a Cabinet Minister to resign because of five months of inaction and dithering pretty asinine. If any Cabinet Minister who was perceived as being incompetent was forced to resign, we'd have so many Cabinet shuffles that even Myron Thompson would find his way into the Privy Council before long. And if any Environment Minister who didn't force Canada to live up to its Kyoto commitments resigned, the Liberals would have lost quite a few of them as well.

The entire concept of passing a motion like this is, quite frankly, a waste of parliamentarians' time and I think John Godfrey and the Liberals made the right call by abstaining.

49 Comments:

  • You are taking the party line. Pragmatism is one thing but these guys have just demonstrated that a Liberal opposition is no opposition at all. What a bunch of spineless cowards.

    Harper "owned" them.

    By Blogger Psychols, at 1:16 AM  

  • The minister was elected on a no-Kyoto platform. To vote her resignation is a no-confidence motion. The Libs have no leader yet. They did what they have to do. More interesting would have been a choreographed show of force, letting her live by 1 vote and, via the organisation, letting the public know the lights are still on notwithstanding the embrace of pragmatism.

    By Blogger matt, at 1:23 AM  

  • Matt, unfortunately the argument that the leaderless Liberals had no choice speaks to a view of the Liberal party as pure pragmatists.

    The optics are not good and Liberals had better hope that this story has no legs.

    By Blogger Psychols, at 2:43 AM  

  • I was actually proud of the Liberals abstention. It showed some level-headed judgement and that they aren't out on a suicide mission.

    You can't force a minister to resign because you disagree with government policy. It's like the NDP are out in the school yard throwing rocks at the principle's office.... ridiculous.

    By Blogger Riley Hennessey, at 9:40 AM  

  • Did the Liberal's abstention show "level-headed judgement"? Did you catch how he publicly rationalized the Liberals abstention?

    "Mr. Godfrey denied that the Liberals are abstaining because they fear an early election. He said he agrees with the NDP that Ms. Ambrose is incompetent, but he said he wants to give her time to demonstrate her incompetence more fully."

    Funny, but not exactly a level-headed response along the lines of Calgary Grit's and most reasonable people's analysis (that the motion is ridiculous).

    By Blogger Olaf, at 9:44 AM  

  • I agree with CG.

    *puts on a name tag saying 'I'm with CG'*

    By Blogger SouthernOntarioan, at 10:00 AM  

  • Thought I heard on the radio that Harper declared that this vote would be a confidence motion if it passed the committee and then the house... Is this correct?

    Who would have been punished for this ending up in an election?

    (pass me one of those 'I'm with CG' tags please)

    By Blogger Robert, at 10:08 AM  

  • duh. ok, now I've read the article.

    Yeah, I think the Tories would have been all over the Liberal party for causing the election over this.

    By Blogger Robert, at 10:11 AM  

  • This one won't have legs, it's just silly politics. Didn't see anybody demanding FMPM's resignation because the Liberals didn't fulfill the pledge to eliminate the GST...didn't (insert broken pledge here)...the media needs a story to pass the time and they've latched on to this one.

    By Blogger RGM, at 10:18 AM  

  • Harper promised us that he would only make money bills a matter of confidence. He flip flopped on that one pretty early so it’s no surprise he’d continue to flip flop with this.

    Still, for the House of Commons to try to fire a cabinet minister, who serves at the pleasure of the PM (not Parliament), I would think that that would be a proper issue of confidence in the government. Certainly, if the Liberals were in government, as they will be this time next year, they would take the same position. If they didn’t, then every opposition party would try to oust a minister they don’t like. Asking the PM to fire a minister for incompetence or corruption is a very different thing than passing a committee motion for her dismissal.

    Talk about making Parliament even nastier. I thought Layton was all about making Parliament work? Another “look at me, look at me” moment brought to you be Carsalesman Jack.

    And really, do you think ousting lame duck Ambrose is going to make a whit of difference to anything, least of all the environment?

    Ted
    Cerberus

    By Blogger Cerberus, at 10:48 AM  

  • "if the Liberals were in government, as they will be this time next year,"

    Wow. Talk about deluded.

    By Blogger nuna d. above, at 11:08 AM  

  • seems the Liberals, yet again, gave into the Harper game of election-chicken...what does that make it 4 or 5 times in the past 5 months?

    Last time I checked the man held roughly 36% of the seats, a far worse minority then the Martin-Liberals. Maybe it is time for the Liberals to start acting like an official opposition party with teeth instead of letting Harper run over Canada.

    Now that doesn't mean forcing an election, but it does mean attempting to force compromises. This is something they should be very familiar with given the events of the last two years.

    This most recent example is just a symptom of a the larger problem of Liberal ineffectiveness.

    By Blogger Sean, at 11:19 AM  

  • "Personally, I find a motion asking for a Cabinet Minister to resign because of five months of inaction and dithering pretty asinine. If any Cabinet Minister who was perceived as being incompetent was forced to resign, we'd have so many Cabinet shuffles...."

    This is the problem I have with the left and Kyoto. Being opposed to the treaty is perceived as "inaction", "dithering", and "incompetence."

    With today's left, you're not allowed to disagree with them on basic policy issues. If you do, you're branded incompetent on Kyoto, a bigot on gay marriage, or asked to resign as finance minister by John McCallum.

    I thought in free countries that two sides of a debate were supposed to be allowed.

    By Blogger The Cyber Menace, at 11:39 AM  

  • "if the Liberals were in government, as they will be this time next year,"

    I personally think Cerberus is on to something here and I almost concur. Where exactly are the 25 seats Harper needs to form majority going to come from? This Conservative government did not get its majority mandate because they did nothing in our three largest cities and next to nothing in Quebec. Ten seats, WOW. Dismantling the gun registry? Opening up SSM again? The Kyoto dance? These issues only preach to the choir and do fuck all to garner votes where Harper needs them. Liberals in power this time next year? Maybe, but probably not. What I feel is certain though is Harper, like Rodney MacDonald here in Nova Scotia, will again get to savour the not-so-sweet victory of another minority mandate.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 11:54 AM  

  • both the Liberals and the NDP look like fools on this. Their petty little rants in the house, attacking each other instead of the Government show how desperate are the Liberals and deluded are the NDP.

    Meanwhile our Prime Minister just keeps rolling out the policy, the laws, the announcements. Simple plain old good government. Canadains seem to like the refreshing change in Ottawa.

    Honesty and good governance = votes.

    By Blogger Fred :), at 12:10 PM  

  • Cyber Menace: "This is the problem I have with the left and Kyoto. Being opposed to the treaty is perceived as "inaction", "dithering", and "incompetence." "

    No, it's not opposing Kyoto that is perceived as inaction, dithering and incompetence. It is not having a plan of any kind at all despite over a decade of criticizing Kyoto. Cancelling Kyoto related programs (over $1B so far) but not having any replacement. Demonstrating a clear lack of understanding of basic environmental issues and policies (regardles of being pro or anti-Kyoto) on the extremely extremely rare ocassions (has there been even one?) where she responds to questions or is not reading from a script (no doubt written/pre-approved by the PMO).

    That's why she is being considered inactive, incompetent and dithering.

    Hope that clears things up for you.

    You're welcome.

    Ted
    Cerberus

    By Blogger Cerberus, at 12:18 PM  

  • No, it's not opposing Kyoto that is perceived as inaction, dithering and incompetence. It is not having a plan of any kind at all despite over a decade of criticizing Kyoto. Cancelling Kyoto related programs (over $1B so far) but not having any replacement. Demonstrating a clear lack of understanding of basic environmental issues and policies (regardles of being pro or anti-Kyoto) on the extremely extremely rare ocassions (has there been even one?) where she responds to questions or is not reading from a script (no doubt written/pre-approved by the PMO).

    What exactly was the Liberal plan on the environment? Pay other countries so we can pollute on their behalf? Having a worse record than the big mean old US of A? You call that a fucking plan? You Liberals make my blood boil.

    Talk about hypocrits. How can the Conservatives be any worse than the Liberals when it comes to the environment? The Liberals were and are still fucking pathetic.

    By Blogger What_The_Puck?, at 12:36 PM  

  • "Where exactly are the 25 seats Harper needs to form majority going to come from?"

    Five seats in Atlantic Canada,former traditional PC seats. Several close seats in Ont could swing from the Libs to the Tories. They could win back several seats they lost in the west.

    And then there is Quebec. The Tories came in second in 40 of those seats. The Liberals came in third, or worse, in over 40. The Liberals received 15 per cent of the vote or less in 37 of Quebec's ridings. A Conservative majority is much more likely than a Liberal majority and a Conservative minority almost a sure thing.

    By Blogger nuna d. above, at 1:14 PM  

  • If you want to see something really funny, click on the link "Find your member of Parliament" and choose " Alberta" on the
    Liberal website.

    It's kinda hilarious that apparently we don't have any MP's. Oh, I get it, we have no Liberal MP's, apparently the rest don't count.

    I took a quick look at the CPC site, their similar search is titled "Meet OUR MP's" and the NDP is titled "Caucus", both which are a much more honest representation.

    Perception is reality in politics, and this is just one, albeit small, example of the LPC not being able to get it's act together.

    By Blogger Andy, at 1:33 PM  

  • nuna d. above,

    Five seats in Atlantic Canada,former traditional PC seats. Several close seats in Ont could swing from the Libs to the Tories. They could win back several seats they lost in the west.And then there is Quebec. The Tories came in second in 40 of those seats. The Liberals came in third, or worse, in over 40.

    None of the above.

    Sorry, it ain't gonna happen.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 1:37 PM  

  • has anyone read today's editorial in the Toronto Star.....

    By Blogger Skeena Liberal, at 2:40 PM  

  • First prize goes to What the Puck for being the first Tory in this comments thread to raise the defence that "the Liberals didn't do anything so it doesn't matter if we don't do anything." Your reward is this big Blue "H" you get to pin on your jacket. Five more "H"s and you get to sit in the opposition benches.

    For not having a "plan" though, the Conservatives sure are finding a lot of things to cut. A $1 billion "no plan" so far, I think.

    The Liberals didn't do much on the environment. But the Conservatives are gutting all of that and, despite whining about Kyoto and "made in Canada" plan for over a decade, they've never managed to come up with a plan.

    Whether you want to argue the Liberals had a plan or not doesn't change the fact that (1) the Conservatives are now the government or hadn't you noticed and (2) THEY HAVE NO PLAN.

    Ted
    Cerberus

    By Blogger Cerberus, at 2:52 PM  

  • The Conservatives have already said they are working on environmental policies that they will release in the fall. It takes time to undo all the damage the Liberals have done. I expect something from them at the end of the year when hopefully the Liberals force an election. I can't wait to throw more of those scum bags out of ottawa. :)

    Doing nothing is still far better than what the Liberals accomplished when it comes to the environment.

    By Blogger What_The_Puck?, at 3:12 PM  

  • Oh yeah, the Libs are going to sweep the next election with a 200 seat Majority.. *cough cough*. Those ol' Cons who are up in the polls and came a close second in so many ridings are going to collapse cause the country is so worse off with them in power.. *cough cough*.

    Already there's chaos in the streets, our children are being put in jails, and I could have sworn an army of polar bears marched on Parliament hill!

    In fact, right now I'm watching Harper apologize for the Chinese Head Tax.. HOW DARE HE! It's true, this man is the devil and will be wiped out next election *cough cough*

    Please someone hide the women and children!

    By Blogger Riley Hennessey, at 3:21 PM  

  • And now the Liberals have stolen YET ANOTHER phoney election plank attributed to the Conservatives in their "hidden agenda".

    A LIBERAL MP has just tabled a bill to make it a criminal offence to allow ABORTIONS after 20 weeks gestation.

    Gee - the Liberals are going to have to re-do all of their Harper neo-con scary booga booga ads next election.

    Turns out the so called Conservative hidden agenda was actually being HIDDEN in the ranks of the Liberal party.

    Priceless.

    By Blogger HearHere, at 4:04 PM  

  • Ask any normal Canadian on the streets the name of the Environment Minister, and if they've been doing enough.

    No one will care.

    The Grits did sweet fuck all for years, and they kept getting elected. People only pay attention during election coverage and during huge, Liberal-size scandals.

    By Blogger Sean, at 4:39 PM  

  • And Sean gets second prize as the second Tory defend his party with the already tired line of "the Liberals didn't do anything so it doesn't matter if we don't do anything." You too get a big Blue "H" to pin on your jacket with a chance win five more "H"s and sit in the opposition benches.

    By Blogger Cerberus, at 5:07 PM  

  • Cerberus

    Before you paint me as a Tory, even tho I'm a Grit, you can't honestly defend the Liberals on some things.

    One thing is the environment. The liberals pushed for Kyoto. Great. However, during the Chretien/Martin era, carbon emissions in canada skyrocketed. The US actually had a better rate of improvement than canada when it cam to environmental issues. My point being this:

    The liberals supported Kyoto but did nothing concrete to implement it, the proof being the ever-rising carbon emission produced by Canada during the Chretien/Martin era. I have a serious problem with that.

    The conservatives want a homegrown solution. They are not fond of Kyoto, which I'm not crazy about. But, if their homegrown solution (due to come out in fall) is actually implemented and carbon emissions are addressed with concrete action, what's wrong with that.

    I'm an environmentalist. And to be honest, I'd much rather see a Conservative environmental policy that works than defend a Liberal environmental policy that put on a show for the public but did nothing concrete on the ground.

    Paint me a Tory if it pleases you, but I am a Grit, who is very dissapointed with the Liberal environmental policy.

    By Blogger cat mutant, at 6:08 PM  

  • Cat Mutant,

    great comment. I agree with you. Sometimes I also feel squeezed out of the "big Liberal tent" when I disagree with rhetoric. It's like Ignatieff said, we can't just keep throwing the name of a Japanese city at the government and expect that people will elect us. It has to be about more.

    By Blogger Riley Hennessey, at 6:14 PM  

  • What about the conservatives sitting on their hands and abstaining during the early rounds of the budget last year?

    Of course the Liberals are not going to force an election over something like this. This motion would be unenforcable. The Liberals are smart to pick their battles. Why force and election with no leader and let the Conservatives win a majority. Let Canadians see what Harper is really about and by the time leadership rolls around, they'll be begging for an election so that they can vote him out.

    northernontarioliberal.blogspot.com

    By Blogger Justin Tetreault, at 7:30 PM  

  • Cerberus, you're the type of Liberal that the public is sick of. You're arrogant, delusional, and totally out of touch with the ordinary Canadian. At this point, you could be a figure of pity, but no one cares enough about you.

    Take your little convention. All the Liberals can do is whine and try to get people to fee sorry for your precious little party...who stole millions of dollars from us.

    Since you're confident about returning to power, I'm going to stand behind my next statement:

    Within two - three years the Liberal party will be bankrupt (financially - morally occured years ago). The NDP will have displaced you on the centre-left and the Tories on the centre-right. There will be no room in Canada for the Grits. Years of standing for nothing except power and theft will have caught up to you - the process has already begun.

    The Tories won't be in power forever, but the Liberals' days are numbered.

    By Blogger Sean, at 8:15 PM  

  • Although I don't agree with Kyoto - it's a massive waste of money - Cerberus has a point. It would have been smarter from a political standpoint to have the "Made in Canada" envrionmental plan ready for when the government said they would not honor Kyoto. It would have provided a lot of cover for the Tories.

    In the end I don't think it matters much. The next election will not be faught on Kyoto, and I don't think Harper will call one anytime soon. He knows the Tories still need to prove themselves a little more before most Canadians are ready to trust him with a majority government, so I think he will continue to stay the course, keep his major promises and provide competent government to Canadians

    By Blogger Andrew Smith, at 9:04 PM  

  • I know better then feeding the trolls but...

    Sean, speaking of delusional, arrogant and out of touch with the ordinary Canadian.

    That is you bub.
    What an absolute moonbat you are.
    You are the reason candian do not and never will trust conservatives. You are mean, bitter, petty and small minded and dare I say it just plan evil.
    I am so glad you and your ilk are talking away, every word you type, every syllable you breath makes sure the tories will NEVER have a majority.
    Everyone we have met teh enemy and it is Sean!

    By Blogger Aristo, at 10:01 PM  

  • Aristo,

    *yawns* I love whenever people say voters don't trust *enter target party*. I don't like the NDP, but 18% of people trust them. I didn't like the Liberals under Paul Martin, but 30% of people seemed to trust them. I didn't particularly like Harper before the election, but 36% of people trusted them.

    Stop fear mongering and name calling. It's sad and pathetic.

    By Blogger Riley Hennessey, at 10:35 PM  

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    By Blogger Sean, at 10:42 PM  

  • Yay! I'm evil!

    I know I've made it in the blogging world when people attack me for my opinions.

    I wish I had some sort of speech prepared. I, I just didn't expect this so soon. I guess I'll just call on an old standby.

    You hate me! You really, really hate me!

    Although I gotta say, if every word I say and every breath I breathe increases the Liberals chances, shouldn't I be your best friend instead of the enemy?

    I'm going to get some popcorn 'n beer. :D

    I rule.

    By Blogger Sean, at 11:26 PM  

  • Aristo

    I don't agree with your statement "You are the reason Canadians do not and never will trust the Conservatives."

    Last time I checked, the Conservatives are the governing party. That means that more Canadians trust them than the Liberals. Of course, not a majority of Canadians trust them, or else there would be a majority government.

    I'm putting this to you. Harper has been doing what he promised. His government has so far been quite boring, but doing what they said they would do (in the majority of cases). And I will dare venture to say that this WILL build trust for them. Their style of governing (although disliked by some Libs and NDPs) is not one that will drive voters away. They are seen as stable, and this is an attractive quality.

    Also, let's talk about Canada's silent majority, if I can steal the coined term. Canada's silent majority is straight in the centre of the political spectru,. Centre-Rights and Centre-Lefts and just plain Centres. Harper is pushing his government towards the centre. This is a smart move that can very well result in getting more votes next time around.

    Remember, there are many centre-right liberals. I am somewhat concerned that the Liberals are moving to the left to net in NDP votes, while leaving behind those at the centre. That is my concern. Harper's move to the centre, and the Liberals move away from the centre will result in the Conservatives coming more and more to the mainstream of the silen majority of Canadians.

    Also, to all Liberals who still believe that the Liberal party is 'the natural governing party'. It is this arrogant attitude and allienation of those who hold different political beliefs that lost the Liberals the last election. Last time I checked, we are all Canadians, whether from the left, right, or centre.

    By Blogger cat mutant, at 11:56 PM  

  • You guys would do well to listen to Cat Mutant. But you won't.

    Oh, and Omar: stop sniffing the toenail polish remover. Sorry, it ain't gonna happen. What kind of an argument is that?

    By Blogger pheenster, at 12:48 AM  

  • Ted, do I get an "H" for saying I don't give a shit? :)

    By Blogger Toronto Tory, at 12:51 AM  

  • Oh, and Omar: stop sniffing the toenail polish remover. Sorry, it ain't gonna happen. What kind of an argument is that?

    Gee, pheenster, I guess because it's a statement. If you want to argue about it, go right the fuck ahead. Twat.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 11:10 AM  

  • Isn't it nuts though that a national party like the Conservatives didn't have an ENVIRONMENTAL PLAN when they came to power? Why do we have to wait until the Fall, they've only been waiting to govern since 1993.

    By Blogger Saskboy, at 11:37 AM  

  • SaskBoy:

    Thank you for bringing us back on topic. You'll note the only answer offered by the Conservative echo chamber as to why the Conservatives HAVE NO ENVIRONMENTAL policy despite years opposing Kyoto, the only reason they give is... "Liberals are bad... Liberals are bad... Liberals are bad..." The truly independent minded Tory, however, will throw in the ocassional "Adscam! Adscam! Adscam!" response.

    It's a good strategy in a way because it can be used no matter what the question, issue, flip flop, discarded principle.

    Ted
    Cerberus

    By Blogger Cerberus, at 12:00 PM  

  • Because the Liberal environmental policy they had for the past thirteen years has been so indepth and well thought out, the Tories were just caught off guard.

    Remember when they signed Kyoto? God, it was just amazing how fast they put a plan to the people, showing just how prepared the Liberals were.

    It's a tough act for the Tories to live up to.

    By Blogger Sean, at 1:04 PM  

  • I've read all the comments but remain in disagreement with the original post. The motion might seem "silly" but the Liberal party needs a good old fashioned scrap to get em worked up. The troops are disillusioned, the coffers are empty, the MPs are in a funk and the news is all Harper. At this point anything would help, even something as small as this.

    By Blogger Psychols, at 1:13 PM  

  • So the Conservative Party didn't sweep into to power with a plan to save the world from percieved environmental devistation 500 years from now. My reaction - I don't care. I'm a fairly young man, and I've only got to tolerate the world for the next 50-60 years something potentially problematic hundreds of years from now qualifies as someone else's problem to begin with.

    Furthermore, the whole acting on "global warming" presumes its a legitimate scientific worry as opposed to pop-science with dodgy actual numbers behind it.

    Additionally, being indifferent to a plan which was going to cost billions upon billions and the net effect of which was to change the climate by 0.5 degrees celcius over a six year period tends to strike me as a rather expensive and ineffective plan to begin with. Furthermore, a plan that didn't have more than half of the world participating in its "program" is not exactly built upon a solid foundation.

    Furthermore, Conservatives ran on their five priorities accountability, cutting the gst, money for parents , fixing the fiscal imbalance and getting tough on crime. They also played up strengthening the military and being strong on defense. Where was the environment priority wise on the list of things put in the middle? Well it definately didn't make the top 5, if it makes the top 10 it likely came in 9th or 10th as far as priorities go.

    Its absolutely non-sensical for parties to bitch about the fact that god forbid the Conservatives ran on their platform and are actually acting like they mean to keep their promises and address those areas they championed as being priorities. Although perhaps its telling for the Liberals that expect a party to say one thing and then do another.

    By Blogger Chris, at 8:35 AM  

  • Unfortunately, in a minority parliament, these motions can be very useful, even if they fall, because the mover can ultimately use it as a card to play down the road.

    I think the NDP have the upper hand on the Liberals, now, when it comes to fighting for Kyoto. As does Harper, when it comes to furthering our mission in Afghanistan. Ignatieff and Brison are well aware of this.

    By Blogger scott, at 2:15 PM  

  • Cerebrus (Ted) offered his two-cents with this:

    "No, it's not opposing Kyoto that is perceived as inaction, dithering and incompetence. It is not having a plan of any kind at all despite over a decade of criticizing Kyoto. Cancelling Kyoto related programs (over $1B so far) but not having any replacement. Demonstrating a clear lack of understanding of basic environmental issues and policies (regardles of being pro or anti-Kyoto) on the extremely extremely rare ocassions (has there been even one?) where she responds to questions or is not reading from a script (no doubt written/pre-approved by the PMO).

    That's why she is being considered inactive, incompetent and dithering.

    Hope that clears things up for you.

    You're welcome."



    Ted, with that kind of logic, your two-cents worth is over-priced.

    In case you hadn't noticed Ted, the air we breath is already suffused with CO2...and regardless of what a bunch of chicken littles run around clucking about, it is an essential gas for the life of this little marble of ours. Plants depend on it, and so do you. One good sized volcanic eruption spits out more of the shit in one day, than the entire world burns in a year......and given the way the earth cleans up after itself.....I'd say we don't need to worry too much just yet.

    What we do need to worry about however, are the things the world cannot clean up. Things such as toxins, poisons, PCB's etc.....man made crap.

    I think you'll find that the Conservative plan in the fall will address the REAL PROBLEM.......and not worry about the pathetic rumblings emenating from Liberals with their rhetoric. The NDP actually believe in this pseudo junk-science, so they can be forgiven. The Liberals however, have known from the get-go that Kyoto was mere window dressing....a way to distribute wealth from rich developed countries, to less well off third world nations, in order for us to continue polluting the way we have for generations....only this time we would pay for the privelege.

    That is why successive Liberal Governments have done nothing. They never intended to address the problem in the first place.....why spend money that could be going to needy Liberal ad agencies, when they could simply stand on a soap box and wax poetic about the latest environmental fad...at far less cost.

    So Ted......you can keep your thanks, because no one should be thanking you for that last hairball you just coughed up.

    In the future Ted (aka Cerebrus) perhaps you should take the time to ACTUALLY READ the Kyoto Protocol (as I have) and see just what your talking about. Put down the Liberal campaign literature you have been reading from....and take the time to think for yourself.

    Maybe...just maybe, then you will be qualified to label yourself as being Cerebral.

    No thank you required......just follow the advie.

    By Blogger James Halifax, at 12:39 PM  

  • Cerebrus (Ted) offered his two-cents with this:

    "No, it's not opposing Kyoto that is perceived as inaction, dithering and incompetence. It is not having a plan of any kind at all despite over a decade of criticizing Kyoto. Cancelling Kyoto related programs (over $1B so far) but not having any replacement. Demonstrating a clear lack of understanding of basic environmental issues and policies (regardles of being pro or anti-Kyoto) on the extremely extremely rare ocassions (has there been even one?) where she responds to questions or is not reading from a script (no doubt written/pre-approved by the PMO).

    That's why she is being considered inactive, incompetent and dithering.

    Hope that clears things up for you.

    You're welcome."



    Ted, with that kind of logic, your two-cents worth is over-priced.

    In case you hadn't noticed Ted, the air we breath is already suffused with CO2...and regardless of what a bunch of chicken littles run around clucking about, it is an essential gas for the life of this little marble of ours. Plants depend on it, and so do you. One good sized volcanic eruption spits out more of the shit in one day, than the entire world burns in a year......and given the way the earth cleans up after itself.....I'd say we don't need to worry too much just yet.

    What we do need to worry about however, are the things the world cannot clean up. Things such as toxins, poisons, PCB's etc.....man made crap.

    I think you'll find that the Conservative plan in the fall will address the REAL PROBLEM.......and not worry about the pathetic rumblings emenating from Liberals with their rhetoric. The NDP actually believe in this pseudo junk-science, so they can be forgiven. The Liberals however, have known from the get-go that Kyoto was mere window dressing....a way to distribute wealth from rich developed countries, to less well off third world nations, in order for us to continue polluting the way we have for generations....only this time we would pay for the privelege.

    That is why successive Liberal Governments have done nothing. They never intended to address the problem in the first place.....why spend money that could be going to needy Liberal ad agencies, when they could simply stand on a soap box and wax poetic about the latest environmental fad...at far less cost.

    So Ted......you can keep your thanks, because no one should be thanking you for that last hairball you just coughed up.

    In the future Ted (aka Cerebrus) perhaps you should take the time to ACTUALLY READ the Kyoto Protocol (as I have) and see just what your talking about. Put down the Liberal campaign literature you have been reading from....and take the time to think for yourself.

    Maybe...just maybe, then you will be qualified to label yourself as being Cerebral.

    No thank you required......just follow the advice.

    By Blogger James Halifax, at 12:39 PM  

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