Tuesday, June 27, 2006


In wake of the PQ being implicated in their own little Adscam, some shocking poll numbers have come out of Quebec:

Lib 37
PQ 33
ADQ 17

Looks like Andre Boisclair has his work cut out for him.

UPDATE: Well, that was fun while it lasted. Via CROP:

PQ: 35
Lib: 32


  • [Mr. Burns]Excellent[/Mr. Burns]

    Somehow, I can still see Charest managing to blow this.

    By Blogger IslandLiberal, at 12:55 PM  

  • Andre will be fine!

    Just get him an eight ball and he'll have all the energy he'll need to win back support.

    By Blogger Sean, at 12:58 PM  

  • This is the best news ever. Charest needs to capitalize on this and proceed with the momentum.

    Harper desperately needs to help him out and if the fiscal imabalance proposals work out with some environmental initiatves in the fall aimed at Quebec, Charest could really get some steam in his engine....

    TAKE THAT crack-baby Boisclair!

    By Blogger Riley Hennessey, at 1:03 PM  

  • Fuck John Charest and his Liberal schmoozing with Harper. I'm pulling for Boisclair and go Bloc go federally.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 2:01 PM  

  • Wow, Omar, you need to chill a little on the partisanship. Cheering for the sovereignists because you have a personal vendetta against Harper and anyone on friendly terms with him?


    "If you're not with us, you're against us" is your motto I suppose.

    Matthew Beasley

    By Blogger shining-blue, at 4:08 PM  

  • "By forcing an election, before the Conservative Party has grown and established itself in Quebec, the hold over Quebec of the Bloc Quebecois can only grow into the vacuum. The result will be to stack the deck in favour of separatism."

    Hon. Belinda Stronach
    Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development and Minister responsible for Democratic Renewal
    May 17, 2005

    By Blogger Brandon, at 4:19 PM  

  • Matthew,
    It has nothing to do with a vendetta against Harper. The Bloc and the PQ are both socially progressive. Harper and his Conservatives are not. As I don't believe Quebec separation is likely anytime in the foreseeable future, I will side with the left-leaning political entities in that province.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 5:26 PM  

  • I think its great news that Charest has a fighting chance to retain power - but it's still just one poll and there is no election yet. I will always support federalists over seperatists - no matter what the ideology is. Saying other wise ...ahem Omar... is short-sighted little man thinking.

    By Blogger Andrew Smith, at 6:38 PM  

  • Andrew,
    Lovely to hear who you'll always support. I am so extremely fortunate to be exposed to your considerations. It is even all the more valuable coming from someone born in...ahem, 1983.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 7:21 PM  

  • Ageism, Omar? That doesn't sound very socially progressive.

    I don't care which side of the political spectrum the PQ and Bloc are on. They wish to pull Quebec out of confederation. That's enough reason for me never to cheer them on.

    You're right that seperation doesn't seem likely in the near future anymore. But you don't think the victory of the evil Tories had anything to do with that?

    Matt Beasley

    By Blogger shining-blue, at 7:29 PM  

  • Well, Mr.Beazley I would suggest to you that I am not as enamoured with this confederation as you obviously are. As far as your ageism quip, I am far more likely to be the victim of that said bigotry than Mr.Smith would be. Besides, the crack about his age was for his condescending "little man thinking" crack. You did read the comments in the thread, did you not?

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 7:41 PM  

  • "Well, Mr.Beazley I would suggest to you that I am not as enamoured with this confederation as you obviously are."

    Fair enough. That's all I wanted to hear. You're willing to put partisan considerations above confederation; I am not.

    Matt Beasley

    By Blogger shining-blue, at 8:23 PM  

  • Omar,

    Your blog profile shows you are from Nova Scotia.

    Not for anything, but you aren't a Quebecker, and if you are, you probably don't presently live here. Don't start proclaiming your support for the PQ and BQ when you don't live through the facts on the ground.

    Socially progressive, eh? I think banning English on signs isn't that socially progressive. Putting down English (an official Canadian language) and alienating the anglophone-Quebec community as (which has been in Quebec for like 400 years) doesn't rock me as being socially progressive.

    That's just one example of non-social-progressive PQ/BQ policies. Yes, I agree, a lot of their policies are socially progressive. But a lot of PLQ policies are socially progressive as well, such as pay equity legislation, as one example.

    Needless to say, as a Quebecker, I don't really care who you support here in Quebec. I tend to care about the beliefs of Quebeckers who live in Quebec.

    By Blogger cat mutant, at 8:28 PM  

  • Omar - your "little man thinking" has nothing to do with your age, but your shortsighted thought process.

    Right now there is not a large chance of seperation, but if there were a seperatist government in power it would immidiately become a greater threat.

    As I'm sure you know, considering the 20 extra years of knowledge and wisdom you have on me - public opinion is fluid, it would be foolish to assume otherwise.

    By Blogger Andrew Smith, at 9:07 PM  

  • What's the big problem with being born in 83? I was born in 82... I don't see how someone our age is at a disadvantage.

    I also think assanine comments like saying you'll support the PQ and Bloc at all costs shows EXACTLY how much a vendetta people can have. Simply hating Harper for the sake of hating Harper is lame.

    By Blogger Riley Hennessey, at 10:14 PM  

  • Yea Riley....but in some quarters it's cooool!!


    By Blogger syncrodox, at 3:16 AM  

  • CG, I noticed the nice new look for this blog site. It is certainly a positive note and a good asset for Liberal interests.

    Tolerance is an asset as well. I posted an interesting, but off topic comment under the Draft Orchard post and thankfully did not raise a big protest.

    The note I left about a treed property in Courtenay is a real find for someone in property search mode.

    The tolerance allowed for the odd off topic comment is a refreshing quality of this Calgary Grit blogsite. TG

    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 11:42 AM  

  • Andrew Smith and Omar, no matter who I side with, it is interesting to follow and muse over your debate.

    Good to see that someone so young has reasoned debate to offer.

    Good to see personal attack held to a minimum.

    Seems that one who resorts to personal degrading comment is the one admitting defeat.

    Not a bad rule to live by. eh?


    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 12:05 PM  

  • CG,

    Don't be discouraged. The CROP poll still appears to show a decline in sovereignty support.

    We need to POUNCE on these figures and continue to push them our way. We need a SEA of optimism as federalist forces go forward. These polls give federalists MOMENTUM. So let's not jump the gun and say things like "that was fun while it lasted" cause it's just beginning!!

    By Blogger Riley Hennessey, at 12:47 PM  

  • Oh yeah, the trends in the CROP poll are still positive and the numbers are tightening.

    Although, with Quebec's electoral map the way it is, Charest needs a good lead to actually win more seats.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 1:07 PM  

  • Remember though CG, if things get close, the ADQ will likely be able to form a coalition with the Liberals if necessary.

    Charest just needs to stay close to the PQ to get a minority.

    By Blogger SouthernOntarioan, at 5:35 PM  

  • exactly right on the coalition government thingy.

    CG, I'd add two other things:

    1) traditionally, poll support for PLQ in Quebec under-represents there election day support. turnout issues make this so.

    2) either poll puts the PQ in crisis mode. 30% is about the bottom of their support. Boisclair started with 50% support. If they ain't in a panic, its because they've taken that one pill that makes them small and are looking to ask Alice a few questions.

    By Blogger Chuckercanuck, at 12:50 PM  

  • Why has no Liberal come out and made the comment about the obvious elephant in the room?

    The reason Charest is gaining in the polls has nothing to do with his policies or "charisma".....it is because Quebecers who supported the seperatists because they couldn't stomach the Liberals....are now supporting Harper. One way to show support for Harper, is to be more satisfied with the one party in Quebec that can work with him....the Provincial Liberals.

    How many of you honestly think the seperatists would be losing to Charest.....if Paul Martin and his party won the last election. If you think it would make no difference....then you are simply not thinking.

    And Omar.....if you could come up with a comment half as well argued as our young friend Andrew Smith, or with half the honesty....then you would be four times smarter than you think you are.

    * (Here's where Omar pulls out his calculator)

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