Thursday, May 19, 2005


That was definitely something else. It had the feel of a Super Bowl show from start to finish:

Pre-Game Show
There was lots of pre-game hype. They had updates on rosters, injury reports for both teams (Parrish is day-to-day with an abdominal injury), reporters in the field, and Chuck Cadman entering with a mob of reporters and cameras following him. They had people scalping tickets and the "7 minutes to vote"updates at the bottom of the screen.

The Game
For the main event, the CBC went all out with the "real time vote counter" and Peter Mansbridge's play-by-play ("boy, there are a lot of Martins in the House...uhh...2 in government...1 in the, maybe 2 in the NDP..."). The game even went into overtime with a dramatic one goal win.

As for the vote, I'm sure a lot of people on both sides are breathing sighs of relief.

Post-Game Show
The post-game comments were interesting: Martin and Harper had the full cheering caucus behind them which was likely good for optics. Here's a quick run-down:

Obviously, it's a big day for him. The NDP is actually relevant and have been looking extremely good of late while the Liberals and Tories tear themselves to parts. I'm actually surprised they haven't seemed to crack 20% in the polls.

We'll have to start calling him "Monsieur fache" because the guy looked really pissed today.

The pundits liked his speech but...I dunno. He was obviously playing to the base and trying to rally the troops behind him. It's pretty obvious his leadership will come under a lot of scrutiny this summer so he needs to get behind them. He came across a little sanctimonious I thought, but he was better today than he's been over the past few weeks.

He went on a little long but, boy, did he ever looked relieved. I thought thanking the strategists so profusely was a little odd since they've been under fire for dirty tactics but I guess they do deserve credit. Hitting on the "get to work and move on" theme was definitely a good idea.


  • I am not pleased.

    So answer me this. Because the budget is passed, the Liberals arent corrupt?

    By Blogger M. K. Braaten, at 7:55 p.m.  

  • In a banana republic where the ruling class has placed themselves above the law by systematically corrupting or co-opting the national institutions designed to provide a check on government power, you get to thank the strategists.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:59 p.m.  

  • The sore losers are out early tonight I see.

    By Blogger Scott Tribe, at 8:08 p.m.  

  • Are the losers suggesting that an election right now was actually a good idea? WTF good would another minority government with the Bloc sitting on even more seats do us?

    By Blogger Mark Francis, at 8:33 p.m.  

  • The sore losers are just being sore losers.

    Layton can't crack 20% at the polls because, although his personal popularity is now very high, Canadians are conditioned not to see the NDP as a federal option. That's a tough sales job, and it's one that he hasn't started.

    In a way, the NDP could be said to be losers tonight, because they were the party that stood to gain from an immediate election. Layton may go back to being seen as a too-slick salesman before Gomery + 30 rolls around.

    By Blogger wonderdog, at 8:38 p.m.  

  • It's not a question of losers or winners, sore or otherwise. We all heard the Grewal tape. We all saw the Liberals suspend opposition days. We all saw the Liberals refuse to accept that they had lost the confidence of the house until they could buy Belinda and win a vote. The real question tonight, for each decent person who still supports the Liberals, is: How do you feel, really, about supporting, or even accepting, a government in which this sort of behaviour is not just tolerated, but praised? You don't have to answer me, but you do have to answer to your conscience.

    By Anonymous MarkC, at 9:29 p.m.  

  • Now that we have won, let's get on with slagging of theose cross burning holocast denighers like
    Deepak!! YOu do know he use to work for that evil empire Enmax don't you.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:40 p.m.  

  • MArkC:

    What exactly did the Grewal tape show?

    it showed that Murphy didnt offer Grewal anything:

    What about Grewal's friend? He said that Grewal made the move first.

    Grewal is a non-issue.

    By Blogger Scott Tribe, at 9:51 p.m.  

  • Good coverage CG,

    Watched CTV and thought their play-by-play was quite entertaining, Lloyd Robertson wouldn't quit talking though. Harper looked pissed afterwards.

    Does anybody know why one of the Bloc MP's (I think it was a she) got a round of claps?

    By Blogger daveberta, at 9:57 p.m.  

  • Scott Tribe,

    Sure, you tell yourself that. But you may have trouble believing it. And if you don't, well, that's what I was talking about.

    By Anonymous MarkC, at 10:07 p.m.  

  • Yeah the Libs one but at quite a price. I guess we won't be hearing any more about the democratic deficit. I lost my faith in Paul Martin this week. It isn't about ideas, just a naked pursuit of power.

    By Blogger Jordon, at 10:34 p.m.  

  • i simply cannot believe that every discussion had about this topic completely buys into the hegel-inspired arguements presented by our politicians that merely non-arguements distracting from real issues

    for example... why has no one talked about the corruption issue of party relationships with corps in our governing system - en mass? 'cause there is no chance in hell that the liberals have been any more or less slinky or playing any different a game than politicians across this globe are right now and for some time

    no one has mentionned how thoroughly integral the relationship between corporate interests and party funding are and no one has brought up the subject of how to curb that there relationship... this isn't a coincidence

    so then
    if we have to go to the polls any time soon, what shall we choose to do? put in a supportive vote for the publically acknowledged crooked Liberal party to avoid the horrors of the moderate-conservatives-cooperating-with-fundamentalist-conservatives party that (yes, for sure) plays the very same game but didn't get caught with their pants down

    i'm relieved i haven't had to face up to that there challenge to-date

    my rant.. i'm done now.

    i love these posts
    have passed it on

    By Blogger Ricia, at 11:32 p.m.  

  • Conservatives outfoxed by Liberals - the story of Cdn politcs. The Conservatives should adopt a new slogan - Never the bride, always the bridesmaid.

    By Blogger Shaky, at 12:54 a.m.  

  • I can understand how Conservative voters must be feeling right now. After 12 years, it looked like they finally had their chance and then it slipped away with the Belinda defection.

    But with the poll numbers the way they are, I think this was for the best. They only get one shot at a Gomery election and with the party low in Ontario and Belinda jumping ship, maybe they're better off waiting. While avoiding defeat the last month may have been quite the political coup for Martin, I think it's done a lot of harm to his personal reputation.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 1:45 a.m.  

  • "What exactly did the Grewal tape show? it showed that Murphy didnt offer Grewal anything: What about Grewal's friend? He said that Grewal made the move first. Grewal is a non-issue."

    I, too, suspect that this will disappear as an issue, not least because it looks very likely that in order to implicate Murphy (et al.), Grewal must implicate himself more.

    This seems to me the likeliest order of events:

    1. Grewal initiates by asking for a cabinet post and senate seat in exchange for crossing the floor. 2. Discussions ensue. 3. Crossing the floor is dropped, but absention discussed. 4. Murphy declines to make a specific deal.

    In order to argue that #3-4 was improper (or illegal), Grewal must admit some impropriety (or illegality) in #1.

    By Blogger buckets, at 9:58 a.m.  

  • I am amazed that people here are dismissing the tape. We don't know for sure whether Grewal approached the Liberals to trap them, or whether the Liberals approached Grewal. Both sides disagree. We know three things for sure (because both sides agree): 1. Grewal taped the discussion, not Murphy. 2. It took place in Grewal's office. 3. Murphy was at least trying to convince Grewal that a deal was possible. Listen to the tape for yourself if you don't think so.

    There is no way to explain this away which doesn't involve an attempt by Murphy to corrupt Grewal. Murphy's story is absurd: if he wasn't trying to deal, he could have just said "no" up front. Grewal's story is at least possible. If I have to choose between a ridiculous story and a possible one, I'll believe the possible one.

    By Anonymous MarkC, at 10:44 a.m.  

  • Although I think losing this vote is good gor the Conservative party, I still wish the government had fallen. Even if it meant another Liberal minority- simply because the lack of ethics in this government deserved to either be ratified or rejected by Canadians as a whole.

    By Blogger Vuorinen, at 10:55 a.m.  

  • Well, I for one am pleased to see the barbarians turned back at the gates!
    There are many thank yous to go around.

    Stephen Harper could have toppled the government if he had not been so horrible to people like Belinda Stronach and Chuck Cadman! Oh well, what goes around, comes around, right? You will meet the same people on your way down, as you did on your way up!

    Having said all that, Martin and the Grits have 8 months to get their act together - like THAT is ever going to happen!

    By Blogger John Murney, at 2:55 p.m.  

  • I like it! I wish I was back in Calgary so I could hear Breakenridge and Rutherford whining today...

    Better luck on the 31st...NOT!!!

    By Blogger Bert, at 5:32 p.m.  


    You libs sure put the shaft to Jack...

    HA HA HA..

    Old Jackal..

    you actually got that idiot to do what you wanted and you ain't gonna give him squat for it...


    By Blogger Walsh Writes, at 10:55 p.m.  

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