Sunday, August 06, 2006

Ian Davey - The Storm Creator

Remember a few weeks back when a few bloggers were criticizing Michael Ignatieff for going quiet? Remember how anyone who did so was called "insensitive" and "callous" because he was caring for his sick mother in law?

Last week, however, back in Toronto, Ignatieff told the Star his mother-in-law was, in fact, not ill.

"There is no health crisis," he said. "There never was. Anybody who said there was, was not authorized to say that. I never purported to say that."

He apologized for the confusion.

For the record, I don't think anyone was ever criticizing Ignatieff for spending time with his family. If he wants to visit a relative, sick or not, and take a three week vacation in the middle of a leadership race, that's his prerogative. The criticism was always on Iggy going completely silent and not releasing a statement on the Middle East crisis. Reading Diebel's article, it's clear that there was a major breakdown in communication in the Ignatieff campaign (Paul Wells explains why that's a bad thing here).


  • Wouldn't it be more accurate to title this post "Calgary Grit - The Storm Creator"?

    Because that's exactly what you're trying to do, isn't it, CG? Or rather, isn't this what you've been trying to do for two weeks?

    It's rather pathetic that no one - not the other candidates nor their sock puppets - have found a way of attacking Iggy on the substance of his Middle East position.

    Instead, they just make snide remarks about his timing and his team. Weak.

    By Blogger Coach Moach, at 4:09 p.m.  

  • coach moach; Umm...I followed the link to your blog and found every single post there attacking other candidates. Among the gems was "Stephane Dion is an arrogant ass" and a comparison of Dion's financial situation to Nortel. So I don't think I'm going to lose much sleep over your criticism that my "snide remarks" are "weak".

    As for Ignatieff's mid-east position itself, I think people have attacked the substance of it. Perhaps not the Globe article which was very well written and thoughtful, but his Toronto Star follow up received a lot of criticism.

    And, finally, "timing" and "team" are important things in politics.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 4:23 p.m.  

  • Just be honest with us about the candidates whereabouts! At first this was about the Middle East. Some would say it wasn't that important that MI release a statement, but the campaign mislead people and the media and made it into a question of honesty and integrity and not policy.

    By Blogger Darren McEwen, at 4:25 p.m.  

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    By Blogger paul kambulow, at 4:31 p.m.  

  • Clearly, this is going to be the greatest thread ever!

    CG hasn't attacked Ignatieff, only Ignatieff's total silence during a major international crisis. He's been fair all throughout (well, except for putting Manley and Broadbent on the same ballot! He's never been snide.

    Darren is right.

    Paul - I admire ya, where do you find the time?

    By Blogger Jason Bo Green, at 4:38 p.m.  

  • CG: I admit, you're clever at what you do. You don't attack other candidates directly, that's true. Perhaps my lack of subtlety explains why I don't get shout outs from the Toronto Star.

    But it's telling that most of your posts these days are about Iggy, and I doubt that the intent of these posts is to assist his campaign. If Gerard's camp wants to fight their battles by online proxy, so be it. But don't expect me to be quiet about it.

    Incidentally, it's been so long since we've heard from Gerard that I'm starting to wonder whether he too is in Hungary.

    By Blogger Coach Moach, at 5:04 p.m.  

  • Come on CG, Diebel has clearly contradicted herself by initially labelling Ignatieff the establishment candidate (her early pieces), then reversing that position because of changes in insider opinion and now calling Iggy's team amateurish. After doing some research the reality seems to be that Ignatieff's team is composed of young, ambitious Liberals who did not relate to Liberal administrations of the past, and are looking for a REAL CHANGE. Personally, as a born and raised Liberal who is sick of all the top down, hierarchy BS, this is what I've been waiting for.

    I'm disappointed in Wells for labelling Diebel's work as "must read". After writting an articling on how classy Jim Karygiannis is ("Jimmy K boosting Volpe campaign"),Diebel lost her credibility with anyone how has experience Liberal party politics and cares about the future of the party. Jimmy K represents all that is wrong with the Liberal party: divisive ethnic organizing, lack of thoughtful policy, old school tactics, etc. Yet, somehow she is quick to criticize Ignatieff; a policy first, straight shooter, ready to change the paradigm of the Liberal Party.

    And also, someone tell Paul Kambulow thats it's against blogging etiquette to make a reply longer than 3 paragraphs, especially when it's out of scope of the argument. This isn't your forum, it's Calgary Grits.

    By Blogger Liberal Helpings, at 5:14 p.m.  

  • Ahem, Coach Moach

    July 18 - Kennedy makes statement about Middle East conflict

    July 25 - Kennedy Calls on Harper to continue fuinding safe injection sites

    July 28 - Kennedy condemns what he calls immoral fundraising tactics of the Conservatives

    Aug 3 - Kennedy Renews Call for Immediate Ceasefire

    Aug 4 - Kennedy criticizes Harper for refusing to attend AIDS conference

    Aug 4 - Kennedy appears on CTV Newsnet responding to Harper's caucus speech

    By Blogger Dan McKenzie, at 5:19 p.m.  

  • Paul; your reply was so long, it bogging down the whole thread so I had to delete it.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 5:34 p.m.  

  • Coach,

    Incidentally, it's been so long since we've heard from Gerard that I'm starting to wonder whether he too is in Hungary.

    If you watched CTV or read you would have seen that Kennedy came out swinging against Harper live on CTV the afternoon of day one of the Conservative Caucus meeting.

    My friend who doesn't really follow politics or get involved text messaged to say he was on TV talking about Harper's position.

    By Blogger Darren McEwen, at 5:41 p.m.  

  • I don't see a problem with saying that Ignatieff is the establisment candidate and also has an ameateur campaign team.

    I think the last election showed us all that the Liberal establisment can also be ameatuer hour (Hi Scott Reid, John Duffy, Michele Caderio et all!)

    I had no problem with Ignatieff not putting out a bland statement on the middle east, cause Canada has little role to play, and random Liberals in Canada have a microscopic role to play in the middle east, but I find Ian Davey randomly making things up about dying mother in laws to be very troubling and I find the Ignateff online fan club trying to defend this communications mistep to be amusing.

    I assume Ignatieff needed to be out of the country for so long becasue he has never been in Canada for such a long spell in over 30 years and was made ill by all this time in his homeland and needed to return to the safety of Europe as fast as possible.

    By Blogger Manitoba Liberal, at 5:56 p.m.  

  • Helpings: Thoughtful policy is not the same as strict ideological based policy, which is what we seem to see come from Ignatieff. He may be a straight shooter, but if he is off target does that matter? Your interpreting loose ideological positioning as a lack of thoughtful policy. See past the Martin years and you will see alot of thoughtful policy that is not of the hardline NDP/Tory style ideological worship.

    If Ignatieff wants to change the paradigm of the Liberal Party, he should run for party president, not leader.


    Liberal Pebbles

    By Blogger Liberal Pebbles, at 6:05 p.m.  

  • If that "Storm creator" is in reference to Ian's daddy being the "Rainmaker", then that's the best post title ever!

    It's hard to defend MI's team on this thing. Lying about a sick mother in law? I'm sure Ignatieff himself didn't have anything to do with that but it sure comes across looking like amateur hour.

    By Blogger Jeff Thompson, at 6:10 p.m.  

  • Speaking of lack of communication, some friends of mine just came back from an Iggy event in Montreal this afternoon.

    Ignatieff kept saying that he was a "progressive" Liberal and that it is "really important" that people "understand" that about him.

    Any ideas about what he means by that? Progressive like progressive conservative? Progressive like progressing towards an electoral victory? Progressive like what?

    Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.



    By Blogger JJ, at 6:22 p.m.  

  • I don't think it was a mis-communication. C'mon, Iggy can follow "minutely" the war's progress but doesn't know what is being said in the Canadian papers?

    Also, the campaign could have cleared up mis-conceptions at any time. They could have said, "Yes, WWIII might be breaking out, but our guy for PM is running about the fields of Hungary." But that wouldn't have looked good either, would it?

    By Blogger bigcitylib, at 6:47 p.m.  

  • To Coach Moach,

    Why is it bad when CG asks questions about Iggy? I happen to support Ignatieff myself and I sure don't mind. I don't like Kennedy in the slightest, but it's not like CG is a mouthpiece for him. His remarks weren't snide or weak. They were APT!

    CG's site has always been about all sorts of politics. I don't find him overtly pro-Kennedy or overtly-Anti anyone. He has his opinions just like the rest of us.

    Finally, what tops this all off for me is that 100% of the time, CG backs up every one of his statements with facts. He doesn't make snide remarks, he simply just presents an issue and comments on it.

    By Blogger Riley Hennessey, at 7:41 p.m.  

  • I can see it now: Layton debating Ignatieff in the 2007 election debates. A question rises on foreign policy.

    Ignatieff: For 10 years I covered foreign policy minutely for the BBC in London.

    Layton: Interesting you should mention Europe. Because you sir, went on a vacation to Europe during on of the greatest crisises in Canada history. That is unforgivable.

    Ignatieff: But I'm a Harvard professor of human rights!

    Layton: Apparently you also slept well while children were dying.

    By Blogger Simon Pole, at 7:51 p.m.  

  • Simon Pole,

    I don't know if you were trying to dig at Iggy with that comment or make fun at Layton.

    But I can't imagine saying "Iggy slept while children were dying". It's one thing to criticize him for revealing his thoughts too late, it's another to pretend like Iggy could have done anything.

    What has Jack done besides bitch and moan? What could we do? I find it funny that Jack wants to recall parliament and all this stuff. If I heard that Norway was recalling its government over the middle east issue, I'd laugh. Are we supposed to think that recalling parliament could resolve the middle east peace process? Seriously come on here.

    Anyway, the "slept while children were dying" thing was over the top for me.

    By Blogger Riley Hennessey, at 8:13 p.m.  

  • Riley,

    If all that is politically possible is to bitch and moan, than that is what you do.

    And if Parliament was recalled to debate the issue, then that would have made headlines the world over. That isn't exactly nothing. It's called applying political pressure. If it really meant nothing, then I'm sure Harper would have done it.

    By Blogger bigcitylib, at 8:16 p.m.  

  • Hey people,

    It's a long weekend. Didn't you see that thing in the papers about how being on the Internet all day turns you into an anti-social loner?

    How about we all chill out a little instead of beating each other over the head? Think of the damage done to the party when there were only two camps fighting each other. Imagine what if would be like if there were 5 or 6 or 10.

    We all want our candidates to win, but let's cool off a little, please.


    By Blogger Jack Angry, at 8:24 p.m.  

  • Yes.

    Canada recalling it's parliment would make headlines worldwide?....HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

    I wish I lived in the delusional world where Canadian domestic politics was of interest to more than a small segement of our own population, let alone leaving the world on pins and needles.

    If all that is politicaly possible is to bitch and moan, than you need to realize that your country has little role to play directly in the issue, and instead of being a whinny little bitch nation like the NDP and some others want us to become, we instead do the small things behind the scenes that we can do givin our weak political position internationaly.

    By Blogger Manitoba Liberal, at 8:25 p.m.  

  • While I dont consider Davey's respose to reporters, claiming Iggy was with an "ill relative", a smart idea, I think the article was a little heavy and unrelated to anything of real importance. A little confusing why campaing officials said this, YES, but at the same time Ignatieff cleared things up quite well.

    Along the same lines as what others have said, what could have Iggy done with the sitution in the middle east? Sure he didnt talk any talk until it was necessary, but I dont find that political rhetoric usually solves these types of problems anyway.

    Let's not blow this article out of proportion and make it appear worth more than it is.

    By Blogger Just another Liberal, at 8:44 p.m.  

  • Big city lib,

    Recalling parliament would make headlines around the world?? Oh man I'm rolling on the floor laughing. Are you serious??

    If only Jack Layton was Prime Minister, think of how better the world would be.

    By Blogger Riley Hennessey, at 8:56 p.m.  


    Kerry Assassinates Bush In Cold Blood
    "Now who's sorryr?"

    Saudis Declare "Open War" On Hezbollah

    US Captures Bin Laden Alive

    Heatwave Shows No Signs Of Relent

    By Blogger Jason Bo Green, at 11:22 p.m.  

  • Perhaps my lack of subtlety explains why I don't get shout outs from the Toronto Star.

    Your crude, lumpen writing probably has more to do with not getting shout outs from the Star. Your lack of subtlety only explains why everyone is making fun of you.

    By Blogger Tybalt, at 12:29 a.m.  

  • This "longer than 3 paragraphs is poor" etiquette thing that LH mentioned is news to me... is it news to anybody else? Part of blogging is building a community, and if Calgrit has one, so be it.

    (This contention would be met with helpless laughter at, say, Daily Kos, where the comments are often as well-written as the entries.)

    As for Diebel, personally I've found her articles some of the best available on the Liberal leadership race, and asserting that her not treating Karygiannis like the spawn of Satan somehow diminishes her credibility is truly bizarre. I realize that Volpe and "Jimmy K" aren't popular online, but this is starting to get silly.

    Then again, considering that the rest of LH's posting was meaningless pro-Ignatieff puffery. "A policy first, straight shooter, ready to change the paradigm of the Liberal Party?" "Straight shooters" don't write hopelessly muddled "I feel I'm above it but I can totally support those who do it" articles about torture in british newspapers.

    moach: Ignatieff did more to discredit the substance of his argument with that infantile "won't lose any sleep" comment about Qana than Calgary Grit could in a year of trying.

    By Blogger Demosthenes, at 3:21 a.m.  

  • Doesn't it kind of strike you all as a bit sad how many pissing contests are going on in this race?

    I remember at the start many were optimistic about real policy debate.

    Now it's like Martin vs. Chretien again, but with a few more camps instead of just two.

    By Blogger Shawn, at 12:22 p.m.  

  • As an Iggy supporter I find CG to be very fair, the campaign did kind of muck this one up. Enforced praise of a particular policy, camp, or action is NOT the way that we want to go again. It worked so well last time. CG never say compares a candidate to say Vlad the Impaler. He goes after statements and actions, this is fair game and indeed needed if we want the strongest canddiate to emerge. If we Iggy supporters don not think he can handle critisim then we are supporting the wrong guy. If we think everything he does is perfect then we are idiots, he would probably agree. The last thing we need if some enforced politically correct cult of personality, it has done so well for us in the past.

    By Blogger Aristo, at 11:23 a.m.  

  • I have been involved and writing about Canadian Politics only about two decades.. and I have been right on almost all of what I write about too.. I wrote that The elected Canadian PM Stephen Harper will continue to have a minority government, he will not be popular with the majority of the voters and why as well.. I even wrote about what it will take the Liberals to get back into power

    Now why do I write? Well I used to go to the elected members Constituent offices, as well as the candidates office and I have discovered that writing a letter shows to me the same results.. for after a few years i have discovered that the pretentious leaders who ignore letters ignore the people who come to them as well.. such as the reality for how they respond to me is how they do respond to most others.

    While I have also written to many Liberal PM Candidates only one had acknowledged my letter.. Gerard Kennedy

    Paul Kambulow

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