Thursday, August 03, 2006

I Don't Care Too Much For Money

The fundraising numbers for the Liberal Leadership contenders have been released and the Blue Blogging Soapbox takes a look at some of the more interesting donations.

I wish I could include a link to the Elections Canada site but there are no permanent links and it's the most complicated database to access. Nevertheless, when I finally did make my way to it, I found the following interesting donations:

-Robert Keith K. Rae donated $10,000 to the Bob Rae campaign. Yes...$10,000. So either someone at Elections Canada made a major typo or Bob Rae picked the most obvious way possible to break elections financing laws. I tend to think it's the former. (Update: Looks like candidates are allowed to donate 10 grand to their own campaigns)

-Alfred Apps was generous in his donations to the Michael Ignatieff campaign, making two donations. One of $900 and one of $5,000. I suspect there may be an Alf Apps Jr. involved here because if there isn't, this is another violation of the election laws. I will give Iggy credit for managing to bring in a lot of small grass roots donations including a few from Liberal bloggers.

-Karl Littler, always a supporter of female candidates not named Sheila Copps, donated $500 to the Martha Hall Findlay campaign.

-Robin Sears, a frequent panelist on Politics, donated to the Bob Rae campaign.

UPDATE: This is more complicated the roadmap to peace in the Middle East, but here's the roadmap to find the donations page on the website:

1. Click on Frequently asked questions on right hand side
2. Click on Election Financing
3. Click on "Where can I find detailed information about political parties and candidates?"
4. Click where it says "click here"
5. Click on the database
6. Click on Quarterly Returns
Note: Click on the last link and you can skip the first few steps...I just wanted to share my frustration of finding the site. The next few steps don't have permalinks though
7. Select "Liberal Party of Canada" and click on "search"
8. Select "June 2006" and "add" it to the bottom
9. Click "search"
10. Click the second link - "by return detail"
11. Select "2b - transferred to leadership contestants"

From here, you can sort by donation, candidate or name.

LATE NIGHT UPDATE: Cerberus has a good analysis of the donations and what we can read into the numbers.

Also, Democratic Space has an interesting breakdown by region.


  • How the hell did you find the donor list on Elections Canada. Could you please give me the directions?

    By Blogger Liberal Fortunes, at 5:56 p.m.  

  • Actually, I think what Bob did is perfectly legal. The Elections Act is pretty hard to follow, but s. 405(4)(c) appears to say that the first $5,000 that a candidate donates to himself or herself are not counted towards the donation limits.

    Thus, there's nothing wrong with Bob donating $10,000 because only the amount over $5,000 counts against his limit.

    By Blogger Coach Moach, at 6:05 p.m.  

  • I see Jim Coutts gave $4400 to Rae and $1000 to Kennedy. Very interesting.

    By Blogger nbpolitico, at 6:09 p.m.  

  • Some reports are available from Elections Canada. One of the most interesting is the
    report. Not for the donations, but for who has provided financing to the campaigns.

    For example, one Ian Davey provided $ 125,000 of financing to MiA at prime. A few of Gerard's siblings appear to have banded together to lend him $ 100,000 with no interest. Mondoch Stephanos lent Mr. Dion $ 200,000 with an interest rate of 6%. Carolyn Bennett borrowed $ 35,000 at the BIBC and got on interest rate of 8.25%. Mr. Volpe didn't need to borrow, as a number of contributors provided $ 5,400 each.

    By Blogger yyclaw, at 6:15 p.m.  

  • As I was trying to say, look at


    By Blogger yyclaw, at 6:17 p.m.  

  • nbpolitico, please give me directions to find the this donor list. Ahhh. I can't locate it.

    By Blogger Liberal Fortunes, at 6:17 p.m.  

  • I've updated the long and ardous path to find the donor list.

    coach moach; I wasn't aware of that Elections Act rule, but that would certainly explain it.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 6:21 p.m.  

  • A number of donors gave to more than one candidate it is interesting to see some of the matchups.

    There are A LOT of people that gave to both Ignatieff and Rae and also a fair number that gave to Kennedy and Bennett.

    By Blogger nbpolitico, at 6:25 p.m.  

  • Ian Delaney donating to Bennett. Ian Delaney of Sherritt Corp.
    I would have thought he would be making his donation to Fidel!

    By Blogger Aristo, at 6:52 p.m.  

  • Is the 5400 donation limit per candidate or per donor? So if A wants to donate $5000 to two candidates each can he do it?

    By Blogger mezba, at 8:05 p.m.  

  • The donation limits for leadership contests are per contest, so one donor's total donations to all candidates in the contest cannot be more than the current limit (this year, the limit is $5,400).

    In other words, Donor A can donate $5,400 to Candidate B, or Donor A can donate $5,000 to Candidate B and $400 to Candidate C, but in no event can Donor A donate more than $5,400 to all candidates in that particular contest.

    By Blogger Coach Moach, at 8:43 p.m.  

  • 1) Candidates, whether leadership candidates or candidates in federal elections, are allowed to donate up to $10,000 to their own campaigns. So, much as it pains me to defend him, Rae hasn't broken an rules.

    2) Can we please stop pretending that Robin Sears is "the NDP representative" on political panels now? He's about as representative of the party as Buzz Hargrove was when he appeared weekly on The Current during the election campaign.

    By Blogger Scott Piatkowski, at 8:47 p.m.  

  • Can someone clarify something for me?

    How come the Globe reports Dion raising $32K, but when you add up his donations it is only $14,800 which is the number I've heard talked about and is also the number reported over at Cherniak's site by Cherniak (a Dion supporter)?


    By Blogger Cerberus, at 9:22 p.m.  

  • Cerberus: I think the Globe included donations disclosed in the candidates' Elections Canada registration forms (see the link in yyclaw's comment above). Dion received $17,400 in donations prior to registering with Elections Canada. Add that to what he received through the party and you get about $32K.

    By Blogger Coach Moach, at 10:40 p.m.  

  • Thanks Moach. I can now include the acurate numbers in my thoughts about what the fundraising numbers mean over at Cerberus.


    By Blogger Cerberus, at 11:52 p.m.  

  • WOW. Great Link CG

    I need to know is this the same Michael Forteir that Harper appointed to the senate? Is he donating to Iggy?

    Michel Fortier Liberal Party of Canada / Quarterly / Jun. 2006 May 4, 2006 Individuals / Part 2b Michael Ignatieff 1,500.00

    Follow CGs links past the quarterly section and look at 1,000-1,999

    By Blogger Davenport Liberal, at 12:24 a.m.  

  • Michael and Michel, could be two entirely separate people.

    By Blogger RGM, at 8:19 a.m.  

  • not much of a donation to kennedy cg!

    By Blogger YYC Liberal, at 4:25 p.m.  

  • RGM
    Could very well be.
    Hence, why its a question and not a statement.

    By Blogger Davenport Liberal, at 5:11 p.m.  

  • Norman Jewison gave $500 to Bob Rae!!!

    BTW, the Fortier in question lives in Toronto, and not Montreal.

    By Blogger Liberal Fortunes, at 9:13 p.m.  

  • You may interested in the the following two posts at, which show the regional breakdown by region and by candidate in graph form.

    By Candidate
    By Region

    By Blogger Gregory D. Morrow, at 11:53 p.m.  

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