Monday, January 10, 2005

Star Wars: Return of Celluci

According to Paul, we're joining Missile Defense.

Except this is Paul Celluci. Paul Celluci, who is, uh, leaving his job and whose job to the best of my knowledge doesn't, umm...allow him to decide Canadian foreign policy!

Either he's full of it, or he's leaking something he shouldn't be leaking. Given that it's no secret Martin plans to join BMD, my guess is it's the later. This issue is going to cause a huge headache for Martin when the vote comes down. Making things even worse is the fact that Liberal Party members will vote on (and likely reject) BMD at the party's national convention in March.


  • A vote by the Liberals approving missile defence may force me to do something drastic -- like vote for the NDP (cough cough sputter) for the first time ever. (Tho I will admit given my centre-left ideology I'd consider voting for them a lot sooner then the wingnuts .. er.. Conservatives).

    By Blogger Scott Tribe, at 4:37 p.m.  

  • What'll be really interesting if if the Tories vote against it. I'd be very surprise if they did but there is a bit of precedence with Pearson being pro-nuclear armed Bomarc missiles on canadian soil in the 60s, an Dief being against them.

    This issue is a minefield for the Liberals. The bigger an issue it becomes, the more the NDP benefit from it because, like you said, it will likely cost Martin some votes.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 5:48 p.m.  

  • I wouldnt hold your breath on the Tories... when push comes to shove, they will not let their mentor Bush down. They believe whatever Dubya says is good for the US must automatically be good for Canada as well. Plus if you believe media reports.. Mr Bush was lobbying heavily to Harper to support it. The only way that doesnt happen is if their MP's start getting the same heat put on their telephone lines as the Liberal MP's apparently have been getting... perhaps they have been; I will concede they seem to have backed off their unqualified support for it and want to see if certain conditions are met.

    As for the NDP; I am wondering if their best chance for electoral success this next election is for Layton to push a pro-Canada position - if he starts going around the country saying:

    - we are going to be tough on US trade protectionism by retaliating ourselves
    - we dont want missile defence
    - we want our soverignty in the north protected (go do something un-NDP'ish.. by saying instead of subs.. we want to buy armed icebreakers.. or something)

    I just wonder if that type of platfrom wont perhaps strike a chord with more then the traditional NDP core vote, seeing as a lot of people are fed up with the Bush regime (and of course.. emphasize at all times they are no longer a socialist party intent on dismantling the free market system.. but a social democrat party like Labour in Britain for example)

    THats what I'd be suggesting to Jack Layton to run on if I were a policy adviser (which I am not).

    By Blogger Scott Tribe, at 7:36 p.m.  

  • I agree with you 100% Scott. If guys like Klein and Danny Williams can have success running against Ottawa, Layton can surely do well running against Washington. Look no further than '88, when the NDP had their best showing ever - they ran on an anti-free trade platform.

    If not for the last second vote switching, the NDP would have had one of their best performances ever last election. Why? Because Martin is a right-wing Liberal. If they can get a real wedge issue like BMD, there's no reason Layton can't win 30 seats next election.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 2:33 a.m.  

  • The Anti Missile defense advocate has been Jack, he has everything to gain on this one. I dare Martin to go ahead on this. Another minority only this time Jack with have a few more buddies, holding a balance of power.

    By Blogger Rick Barnes, at 3:19 a.m.  

  • Oh yes, 88 when Broadbent blew any chance at unseating the Liberals as the natural opposition party due to the fact that NDPer's as a general rule lack backbone. They will naturally come running to the Liberals again and give the Liberals the government for fear of the awful consequences of voting for Stephen Harper and the conservatives, consequences such as:

    1) Giving the house away to the provinces in the form of some sort of asymetrical federalist agreement whereby the federal government becomes the headwaiter to the provinces
    2) Focusing on tax reduction and debt reduction as the main economic goals of the nation
    3)Canadian involvment in missile defence
    4) Loud mouth backbench MP's who are intolerant of other points of view
    5) The awful consequencs of using the notwithstanding cluase, which not only happens to be part of the constitution, but is the backbone of Canadian Parliamentry history.

    oh wait, except for the last point Martin is already doing all of that and then some. But nonetheless, the NDPer's will come crawling back, just like they always do, except for that one brief moment in time (86-88) where they actually had a chance get over that threshold of 47 seats that makes a good party great.

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