Thursday, August 03, 2006

Round 1

Greatest Prime Minister We Never Had - Round 2
Matchup 1
Robert Stanfield
D'Arcy McGee
Matchup 2
Deb Grey
Preston Manning
Matchup 3
Ed Broadbent
John Manley
Matchup 4
George Etienne Cartier
Bill Davis
Matchup 5
Louise Arbour
Tommy Douglas
Matchup 6
Frank McKenna
Lloyd Axworthy
Matchup 7
Stephen Lewis
Roy Romanow
Matchup 8
John Crosbie
Peter Lougheed

(view results)

The field is now set after the seeding round. Four Dippers, three 1990s Liberals, two men from the 19th Century, a pair of reformers, a world renowned human rights expert, and a handful of Tory Premiers and Cabinet Ministers. The top 50 are below; of note, Cartier gets the fourth seed for winning Quebec, and poor D'Arcy McGee can't catch a break, losing the coin flip with Deb Grey for 15th place.

1. Robert Stanfield
2. Preston Manning
3. Ed Broadbent
4. George Etienne Cartier

5. Tommy Douglas
6. Lloyd Axworthy
7. Row Romanow
8. Peter Lougheed
9. John Crosbie
10. Stephen Lewis
11. Frank McKenna
12. Louise Arbour
13. Bill Davis
14. John Manley
15. Deb Grey
16. D'Arcy McGee

17. Mike Harris
18. Mitchell Sharp
19. CD Howe
20. Paul Martin Sr.
21. Dalton Camp
22. Flora MacDonald
23. Ralph Klein (err....)
24. Rene Levesque
25. Ernest Manning
26. Nellie McClung
27. Joseph Howe
28. Warren Kinsella (will be pleased he beat Stockwell)
29. Stockwell Day
30. Don Mazankowski
31. Alexa McDonough
32. JS Woodsworth
33. Clyde Wells
34. George Brown
35. David Lewis
36. Lucien Bouchard
37. Jean Lesage
38. Henri Bourassa
39. Allan Rock
40. Agnes McPhail
41. Iona Campagnolo
42. Gary Doer
43. Joey Smallwood
44. Allan MacEachen
45. Larry Campbell
46. Sheila Copps
47. Dave Barrett
48. Jean Marchand
49. Ed Schreyer
50. Barbara McDougall

Voting is now open and, once again, you can vote once a day until Tuesday at noon, when the contest closes. The winner of each matchup will advance to the next round under March Madness seeding rules. Over the long weekend, I plan to profile some of the matchups.


  • Oh man, Mckenna Vs. Axworthy was a tough one.

    By Blogger Zac, at 1:20 p.m.  

  • ROFLMAO - I am surprised that Axworthy is even in this league. Oh yeah, I am a staunch conservative, but McKenna garners respect across party lines, Axworthy, well...

    By Blogger Andy, at 1:35 p.m.  

  • If I read the seedings correctly, we might be heading towards a John Manley/Frank McKenna second round matchup.

    It's like the Liberal leadership race we all wanted but never got!

    By Blogger Jeff Thompson, at 1:40 p.m.  

  • wooo, you put some tough matchups within party camps. stephen or roy, so hard to decide!

    By Blogger bza, at 2:15 p.m.  

  • Amazing list.... funny, some are sooooo no contest (Manning vs Grey? Gee it's so hard...) and some are really tough - Broadbent vs. Manley, man. I dunno.

    Lloyd Axworthy and Mike Harris beat Flora McDonald?? :( I sure know how to pick 'em...

    By Blogger Jacques Beau Vert, at 3:05 p.m.  

  • Ugh, I HATE this poll... someone, help me out here - fast. Manley or Broadbent? Broadbent or Manley?

    Why are you picking one over the other???

    I need some guidance.

    Broadbent - pulled a loser party into real competetion, no small accomplishment.
    Manley - powerfully competent and experienced, republican

    Broadbent - military service for an NDPer? Cool...
    Manley - longshot for Sec-Gen of the UN?? Cool...

    Manley - opposed Paul Martin
    Broadbent - opposed Paul Martin

    Manley - lawyer
    Broadbent - not a lawyer (that may be the decider....)

    They're both effective, both show integrity to me, which I want badly in leaders. Argh, can't decide...

    By Blogger Jacques Beau Vert, at 3:24 p.m.  

  • Wha - ?

    Stephen Lewis is married to Michele Landsberg?

    Point against...

    Father of Avi Lewis?

    Double points against...

    Allowed son to marry Naomi Klein??

    Negative-triple-word-score - FAIL.

    This family is the worst thing to happen to the Left in decades. Jesus, where is Ed Broadbent when you need a thinking Leftist?

    To think I used to like Stephen talking on CBC. Now I have shivers, like I fucked a cougar and then found out she was secretly J. Edgar Hoover.

    Amazing what i'm learning at this contest, CG.

    By Blogger Jacques Beau Vert, at 3:30 p.m.  

  • Stanfield is Beating McGee, cmon people what the hell are you thinking. The most famous Canadian of his time and a father of Confederation losing to a guy whos claim to fame is dropping a friggen football!!!!

    By Blogger Aristo, at 3:44 p.m.  

  • claim to fame is dropping a friggen football!!!!

    That's silly. But if you got a better argument, I could change my vote come tomorrow.....

    By Blogger Jacques Beau Vert, at 3:46 p.m.  

  • Arbour was so close, but the cartoon thing pushed me to Tommy.

    This is the BEST blog-thing-idea ever, CG!!!

    By Blogger Jacques Beau Vert, at 3:47 p.m.  

  • Definitely made for some really hard match ups. In four races I am undecided or torn.

    Am going to write up a post on this.

    Excellent contest CG!!!

    By Blogger nbpolitico, at 3:47 p.m.  

  • God, it seems so unfair that either Manley or Broadbent will have to lose to make way for either Lewis or Romanow.

    Not that I'm dissing Romanow. At all.

    By Blogger Jacques Beau Vert, at 3:49 p.m.  

  • Cool poll. There were some tough ones in there.

    By Blogger Red Tory, at 3:51 p.m.  

  • Pitting Stephen Lewis against Roy Romanow is just cruel.

    And how is Ed Broadbent tied with John Manley?

    Wait, this is a Liberal blog....

    By Blogger C. LaRoche, at 4:02 p.m.  

  • "Like I fucked a cougar and then found out she was secretly J. Edgar Hoover."

    Laughing my ass off.

    On the Broadbent vs Manley, it's no contest. It comes down to personality. Manley is a goof who couldn't inspire a high school AV Club. Broadbent may have spent the country into ruin, but he's still the kinda guy you'd be happy to go fishing with on the long weekend.

    By Blogger Scott in Ottawa, at 4:08 p.m.  

  • Manley vs Broadbent seems to be the hot matchup this round. They're probably the two with the most integrity in the field and they both have a lot of experience (albeit in different capacities). So it might really come down on a right/left policy split.

    It does seem that we fluked into a lot of same party matchups. The two Reform MPs are against each other which makes for a snoozer. Romanow got Lewis. McKenna got Axworthy but at least they're on opposite ends of the Liberal spectrum so it still makes for an intriguing battle.

    Jason; Yeah, I kind of would have liked to see Flora move on too. I think her, Mitchell Sharp, and PM1 should have made the group of 16 for sure.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 5:20 p.m.  

  • OK, Jason. How about this?
    McGee was one of the key fathers of Confederation. He helped to found our country. He was not just a tag along he was one of the key delegates and very influential.
    Seriously is there anyone on this list who has anything close to that on their resume, let alone Stanfeild who did???
    Seriously, what the heck did that guy ever do?
    A father of Confederation versus a guy whos name is better known for underwear.
    This should be a no brainer.

    By Blogger Aristo, at 6:47 p.m.  

  • CG: I must confess, I know very little about PM1, although I think it would have been great if he'd come out #1, just to spite Jr.

    But I loved what I learned about Sharp.

    Aristo: My confession to you - I feel angry about how Stanfield got shafted on that football picture. That was degrading to the concept of "freedom of the press". I think he was fucked over by the media, and I can't figure out why. God, the press just sucks - it's possibly worse than lawyers. So I have a soft spot for him.

    Being a Father of Confederation isn't qualification to be PM - heck, how many were there?

    But actually, I find it harder to find much on McGee's policy ideas and personal politics, so I find him a bit murky outside of his founding role.

    And to be honest, though I'm aware he lived in different times, his radical youth makes me leery. Stanfield seems like a more stable and political personality. But of course, anything you got on McGee's political side - spill. ie. how he voted on issues, what he thought about free trade, what the new country should look like, how he would feel about gay marriage and abortion (I'm kidding on those), etc.

    By Blogger Jacques Beau Vert, at 11:14 p.m.  

  • Louise Arbour vs. Tommy Douglas is really not fair.

    By Blogger Idealistic Pragmatist, at 12:33 a.m.  

  • Or, how 'bout this: Darcy McGee's is a very popular (and not politically aligned) hangout just a block from the Hill.

    Where is there a bar named Stanfield's?

    By Blogger Paul, at 12:35 a.m.  

  • Well well well... I just re-read G-E Cartier's wiki-bit over again, and see I missed a very important line in it - one that changed my mind on him completely. I don't figure Davis would have been as reforming and visionary, so I've changed my vote 100%.

    Sorry to see the women drop off so quickly, but I'm going for Douglas all the way.

    Please, God, don't ever allow Broadbent to run against Manley for actual real - my head could explode.

    By Blogger Jacques Beau Vert, at 8:26 a.m.  

  • I'd say neither Frank or Axworthy belong... Ax because no Canadian non-Liberal outside of Winnipeg gives a damn, and Frank because he is still young and might probably be PM someday.

    I'm pretty left-wing, but do rue the decision of Joe Clark in 83 not to drop off and endorse Crosbie. If nothing else, he would have been a hell of a lot of fun. He and Broadbent are the real giants (of the modern era anyway) that merit consideration on this list.

    By Blogger grand_Panjandrum, at 10:38 a.m.  

  • I found myself voting for the lesser of two evils just about every time.

    By Blogger Suzanne, at 11:35 a.m.  

  • I don't like the seedings. They're all right wing vs. right wing and left wing vs. left wing.

    It'd be better if the choices were more clear cut.

    Perhaps Cartier shouldn't have been given the 4th seed and we should've let the seeds fall where they did...

    By Blogger Michael Fox, at 3:21 p.m.  

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