Friday, March 28, 2008

Going Postal

It seems some Liberals have been raising a stink about the Tories using the taxpayer funded mail-outs available to all MPs to blanket swing ridings with Conservative propaganda.

Now, yes, if the Conservatives are breaking the law by going over quota, they should be held to account. But if this is just a smart re-allocation of resources, then maybe instead of complaining the Liberals should be, you know, copying this…


  • I've gotten at least 5 conservative propaganda in the last month or 2. I guess they feel K-W is a swing riding...

    By Blogger UWHabs, at 6:29 PM  

  • And they are working.

    Spoke to the 2006 Green Party candidate in one of the targeted ridings, and he says that it is hilarious how many different ways the pamphlets make fun of Dion.

    Spoke to a moral Liberal with direct contact to Dion, who said that Liberals do not do those kinds of things.

    And I say, another Dion "high ground" decision which will result in a Harper majority.

    For crying out loud Dion, if you are not going to participate in this kind of behaviour, make sure the rest of Canada knows that you are not, and bring attention to the fact the Conservatives are (in at least more than one outlet - Turner's blog).

    The already fat Conservatives getting direct mail targeting key ridings FREE. That's no surprise when the leader is weak and there are many around who want to take over.

    By Anonymous MississaugaJoan, at 7:41 PM  

  • UWHabs, I think you're right. Back in 2003, I got an anti-same-sex-marriage mailout from the Canadian Alliance at my Waterloo address.

    I was a bit surprised to discover that mine was one of only a few Ontario ridings to get such mailouts, but apparently polling results suggested K-W was close to winnable. I doubt Andrew Telegdi would be easily defeated, though.

    By Blogger saphorr, at 9:19 PM  

  • Whining about the use of legal avenues for information, advertising, propoganda, education or whatever one wishes to call these mail-outs is totally ridiculous. They are available to every MP and if the Liberal MPs are not contacting their constituents or reaching out to possible supporters it is because they are too busy trying to dig up dirt, mislead the public and avoid votes to do their job effectively. I guess whining and crying is easier for some than acutally working for the salary they collect (Paul Martin was present for exactly ZERO out of 70 plus votes during this session). I lived in a Liberal riding for years and received many, many pamphlets and mail-outs praising the accomplishments of that MP and his party while providing the Libeal views on opposition party ideas. It was pure propoganda and electioneering; now that someone else is doing it, the whining and crying starts.

    By Anonymous Ron, at 11:14 PM  

  • Don't complain about the rules of the game; use them to your advantage...

    By Blogger Glen, at 12:19 AM  

  • They are printing I received from anders yesterday in Brant said seniors had received a raise in GIS.....from conservatives....lies ....the last Gis raise was in Jan 06...the second portion of a raise from Paul Martin.,,,a gathering of seniors nearby called them LIARS papers.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:37 AM  

  • This problem isn't necessarily Dion's - it's caucus. Too many of them are unwilling to do it outside their own riding, and none of them want someone else mailing stuff into their own riding. Nervous Nellies. Turf mentality.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:15 AM  

  • With the recent crop poll in Quebec putting the Cons in a dead heat with the Bloc at 30% and the Libs mired at 20% (their 2006 election numbers), Dion had better come up with a plan and take action real quick, or move over and let someone who has an idea what to do.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:22 AM  

  • Mired? If the BQ is down that much in Quebec, that puts about 10 seats in Gatineau, Montreal, and tbe burbs back into the Liberal column, even if it puts about 10 more seats outside Montreal into the Tory column.

    Do the freakin math people.

    By Anonymous anonymous who can add, at 1:29 PM  

  • The NDP does it as well. I would get constant crap from Peggy Nash and Jack Layton (although I wasn't in his riding) in my obvious swing-riding back in Toronto.

    By Blogger hosertohoosier, at 3:37 PM  

  • "Mired? If the BQ is down that much in Quebec, that puts about 10 seats in Gatineau, Montreal, and tbe burbs back into the Liberal column, even if it puts about 10 more seats outside Montreal into the Tory column"

    It puts harper closer to a majority. That's the issue. Not whether dion gets 10 more or less seats.

    By Blogger JimTan, at 4:56 PM  

  • It puts harper closer to a majority.

    Only assuming no other seats change hands anywhere else in the country.

    By Anonymous anonymous who can subtract, at 5:51 PM  

  • "Only assuming no other seats change hands anywhere else in the country."

    You're assuming that dion can win new seats in the rest of the country.

    Anyway, I hope that CG puts up the analysis of the Montreal area. That should be interesting.

    By Blogger JimTan, at 6:10 PM  

  • Grit MPs in safe seats do their own mailings. The central focus of these mailings are themselves. Very few pictures of Dion. Many are running on their own records as being effective constituency reps.

    By Blogger Mushroom, at 6:52 PM  

  • Mushroom,

    You say "many running on their own records as being effective constituency reps".

    And not making mention of the number of times they have abstained or not showed up to vote...

    And why have they abstained or not showed up to vote?

    Not because they think it is the best thing for Canada or for their constituents, but because Dion and Rae are strategically waiting for poll numbers to become more favourable, and then they may stop abstaining and begin to improve their attendance at Parliamentary votes.

    Lately, the questions at the door are become more and more pointed against the Liberals.

    By Anonymous MississaugaJoan, at 7:45 PM  

  • You're assuming that dion can win new seats in the rest of the country.

    Ontario and Atlantic Canada, yes.

    By Anonymous anonymous who can multiply, at 9:01 PM  

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    By Blogger JimTan, at 10:32 PM  

  • "Ontario and Atlantic Canada, yes."

    So, what’s dion’s track record outside Quebec, and outside Toronto?

    By Blogger JimTan, at 10:44 PM  

  • Much better than Harper's was as opposition leader in by elections outside Calgary.

    By Anonymous anonymous who can divide, at 10:56 PM  

  • Copying this idea is a good idea. I've been getting Liberal fundraiser letters the past year, and they stink! We need some more passionate methods in order to invigorate the emotional outrage we Liberals feel with this Tory government and encourage our supporters to donate money.

    By Blogger Alan, at 11:32 PM  

  • "Much better than Harper's was as opposition leader in by elections outside Calgary."

    Eventually, harper has Adscam. dion has only himself.

    By Blogger JimTan, at 11:59 PM  

  • Does anyone have a link to the actual tables and regional breakdown on the CROP poll, rather than just the media reports. I can't seem to find a working website for CROP.

    My guess is that the Liberals would actually gain seats with these numbers, because of the drop in BQ support. Of course, Harper would be inching closer to a majority if he gets another 10-15 seats in Quebec too...

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 12:06 PM  

  • Here are extracts from Gilles Toupin’s article translated by Google. It’s not the LPC that will benefit from the CPC’s ascendancy. The LPC does not lead in any part of Quebec. It is indeed a minority party in Quebec. The CPC is the alternative to the BQ.

    It is possible for harper to gain a majority if he takes 25 from the BQ, loses no seats in Ontario, and gains a few in the rest of Canada. On the other side, the LPC has no prospects of a minority government without another 20 Quebec seats.

    Harper has the right strategic focus. His potential is still rising. Dion has no focus. All he can do is hang on to Ontario.

    Gilles Toupin
    La Presse La Presse
    The Conservatives of Stephen Harper have almost caught up with the Bloc Gilles Duceppe in Quebec with popular support almost similar 29% (PCC) and 30% (BQ), according to a poll CROP-La Presse carried out from 13 to 26 March.

    "As for the Liberals, he adds, they have stagnated in Quebec. They were 20.7% in January 2006 and are now 20%. The conservatives, for their part, have gained some points. They have risen from 24.6% in the last election to 29% today. But the party that benefits more from the declining popularity of the Bloc Quebecois, the NDP. The New Democrats are indeed risen from 7.5% in January 2006 to 15% today.”

    Figures from the survey show that the Bloc is particularly strong in the Montreal area where, thanks to the francophone vote, it takes 32 to 25 on the Liberals Stephane Dion. The Conservative Party collects his side 21 points in Montreal.

    In the region of Quebec, the Conservatives continue to dominate with 41% of voting intentions against 25% in the Bloc, the NDP 17% and 14% PLC, which is another bad news for Mr. Dion.

    The satisfaction of the people towards the government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper also confirms this observation. Fifty-five percent of respondents claim to be satisfied with the present Government of Canada, a score which is not far from that of Quebec Premier Jean Charest (61%). The recent federal budget, the case Cadman and the vote in favour of the extension of the Canadian military mission in Afghanistan have had little negative impact on the Quebec electorate.

    And when you ask Quebecers who, a leading federal, would be the best Prime Minister of Canada, Stephen Harper wins top marks with 35% support followed by the New Democratic Party Jack Layton (24%) and Liberal Stéphane Dion, which continues to be evil loved Quebecers with a meagre income by 16%.

    By Blogger JimTan, at 3:46 PM  

  • What was the Tory vote share in Quebec City in 2006?

    For that matter, what was the Liberal vote share?

    By Anonymous anonymous who can think, at 5:18 PM  

  • "anonymous who can think said... "

    Nope! can't see anything yet.

    By Blogger JimTan, at 8:09 PM  

  • Late comment here, but I wonder what it's like not to get reams of Bloc Quebecois agitprop every week.

    Standard Ottawa hates Quebec crap and a stupid checkbox (for the one option, you can't say no) saying you support the Bloc and asking for your contact info on a return card.

    I call my riding office when something particularly outrageous comes out (i.e. the budget hurts Quebec because it pays off the debt too quickly - nice logic there), but my entire adult life living in BQ country is getting annoying now that I'm into my 30s.

    By Blogger Mike, at 1:58 AM  

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