Wednesday, September 05, 2007

Has Anyone Booked Kinsella Into Canada AM?

...cuz I suspect Barney might need to be brought out of retirement.

In fairness to John Tory, he only said that creationism can be tought side by side with evolution.


  • I think he's booked to bake cookies with Seamus early next week.

    By Blogger Amanda, at 4:06 PM  

  • I'm sick and tired of Dalton McGuinty breaking promise after promise after promise, in tried and true Liberal fashion, but man, is John Tory ever not a serious option in this election. I don't know why I bother reading the news anymore...

    By Blogger Jason Bo Green, at 4:32 PM  

  • News flash! Tax dollars already go to teach creationsim in Ontario through Catholic schools. By supporting the continuing existance of Catholic schools McGuinty is also supporting using tax dollars to teach creationsim.

    John Tory's plan will actually ensure that if schools want to get public funds they will have to teach evolution in science class. This is a classic Liberal smear campaign because Tory's plan will ensure more students learn evolution!!

    For those of you like me who think that all public schools should be secular and believe in religious equality, McGuinty's support of the status quo is both backwards and racist. If he actually believes what he is saying he should do what Quebec did and amend the constitution to remove funding from Catholic schools.

    By Blogger Andrew Smith, at 5:40 PM  

  • Thanks for the info Andrew, though I think everyone is pretty aware of it already. I for one certainly agree that public schools should be secular, and that McGuinty's response was 'racist' (which I say because 'religionist' isn't a word) and backwards. On this, they're both wrong - and I don't feel good about voting for either one as a result.

    (I was prepared to support Tory, btw, until this.)

    By Blogger Jason Bo Green, at 7:06 PM  

  • If there's an issue of public policy that doesn't have a succinct Simpsons reference, I don't know what it is.

    By Blogger IslandLiberal, at 7:26 PM  

  • Catholic Schools do NOT teach creationism, I've now commented this in dozens of places.

    Catholics believe in evolution. Science rules. They only mention genesis etc. in religion class when discussing the history of what used to be believed.

    The article was incorrect. Seriously, read up on it. Do some research.

    By Blogger Aurelia, at 8:35 PM  

  • Andrew Smith: can you point to where in John Tory's platform he has promised that religious schools will have to teach evolution in science class in order to qualify for funding? Nothing I read in the Globe and Mail article suggests this.

    In any case, if your goal is the complete removal of all government funding for religious schools you have a funny way of showing it. Once the non-Catholic schools are funded and this status quo is established, it will require even more political will to remove funding from them all.

    If Tory gets in, I wonder who will be the first to petition for a Pastafarian school?

    By Blogger saphorr, at 9:08 PM  

  • Andrew Smith: can you point to where in John Tory's platform he has promised that religious schools will have to teach evolution in science class in order to qualify for funding? Nothing I read in the Globe and Mail article suggests this.

    Nevermind, I found it myself here, in a press release from late this afternoon.

    By Blogger saphorr, at 9:14 PM  

  • Thanks for the news Andrew.

    I never knew that Catholics are a race. Always thought it was a faith that spanned across many cultures.

    Didn't you go to one of those swanky snooty private schools? Why do you care about public schools its not like you even saw inside one your entire life.

    By Blogger Jay, at 11:01 PM  

  • Thank you, Aurelia!

    I never thought I would find myself defending Catholicism (recovering Catholic myself).

    Catholics do NOT teach creationism! Some folks seem to be grouping all their fundamentalist beliefs together like a tossed salad.

    I was taught the scientific method and - yikes oh geez - evolution.

    In fact, I recall an extensive discussion about the symbolism of the old testament, basically told the reasons the Catholic church does not believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible.

    So please cast aside that lie in your attempts to salvage Tory's bumbling (and frightening) foray into teaching mumbo jumbo as an alternative to scientific reasoning.

    By Blogger Joseph, at 11:07 PM  

  • The right is hardly enamored with Tory this election. McGuinty might win by default, despite being a liar and a weasel.

    By Blogger Raphael Alexander, at 11:19 PM  

  • I didn't think Catholic schools taught creationism but John Tory appears to...I believe that's the problem here...

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 12:04 AM  

  • It's as if Paul Martin's people are running Tory's campaign.

    By Blogger MERBOY, at 9:27 AM  

  • You are all missing the inherent hypocrisy in the Liberals picking up on this point (credit perhaps being due to the wizardry of Warren Kinsella).

    Our Ontario tax dollars ALREADY go to fund sex education classes that de-emphasize birth control (as a lot of friends of mine who went to Catholic schools have told me), and teach specific moral and religious values.

    For all their flaws, at least the Greens and Tories have a remotely consistent policy on the role of the state in faith-based education.

    PS: John Tory seemed to imply that creationism could be taught in a religion class, not in a science class, in at least one of his (fairly poor) clarifications.

    By Blogger hosertohoosier, at 7:42 PM  

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