Thursday, June 01, 2006

Youth for Volpe

This may be the funniest parody site ever.

Update: The site is down but Policy Watch has saved a copy of the site on pdf.

Update: The site lives on here.

51 Comments:

  • I guess the rebulicans have arrived in Canada and I thought only the tories had them but I was wrong!!!!

    Is it just me or is iggy national directors name one of the childern on the youth for volpe site.

    By Blogger Davenport Liberal, at 12:35 PM  

  • I guess the rebulicans have arrived in Canada and I thought only the tories had them but I was wrong!!!!

    Is it just me or is iggy national directors name one of the childern on the youth for volpe site.

    By Blogger Davenport Liberal, at 12:36 PM  

  • I wonder if any campaign team helped to create that website?

    Now that would be a scandal!!

    By Blogger Liberal Fortunes, at 12:41 PM  

  • Davenport, I suppose Andrew Cogliano's name on the site means the University of Michigan is behind it all.

    A real scandal is a candidate geting half his funding from a few Apotex surnames and not checking into it.

    A real scandal is a national campaign co-ordinator telling the Globe that there is nothing wrong with donations from 11-year-olds or from children of any age.

    Maybe Volpe met with Scott Brison overnight to decide how much to send back. That almost worked for the Party!

    By Blogger anonymous, at 12:52 PM  

  • And its ok to have 4 ppl back a 200,000 dollar loan or a 125,000 dollar loan by two men when its against c -24
    And say that these guys aren't in the pockets of bizmen and lawyers

    At least volpe has donations that are following the law and disclosing unlike taking loans

    I'm just saying there has to be a level playing field and loans don't provide that

    should there be a cap on how much money a person can donate by age I would love to hear what the leadership camps think

    And I don't like attack ads and campagins and when u see a site like this you question all the other camps integrity

    By Blogger Davenport Liberal, at 1:02 PM  

  • Don't be such a pussy.

    I'd rather see more attack web sites and less sleazy maggots like Jim Karygiannis.

    By Blogger Raymaker, at 1:24 PM  

  • Beer and Popcorn money
    In Candidate's Piggy Banks
    We're not making this up.


    Why ask questions about $200K loans when Gomery heard testimony about Desmarais-related loans to the Party and the Party needs loans more than Tony Blair did?

    By Blogger anonymous, at 1:24 PM  

  • DL, first, this isn't some instant messenger message you're writing, here. Make a point of using proper capitalization and punctuation; it's hard to read your posts this way.

    Also, you need to be realistic. It was terribly foolish for Volpe to have accepted money from executives' children. Even if it was following the letter of the law, the optics were terrible, both for him and for the party. It was a mistake, and it may well have sunk his campaign.

    (I am being charitable in saying "may", here, and only because it's unlikely that Ignatieff, Kennedy, and the rest will survive scrutiny when the loans come due, either. Liberals are terrible at garnering small donations, and I haven't seen any reason for that to have changed. The rest of the candidates just put it off.)

    That said, I think DL here has a point. It IS possible that the site was created by some enterprising Tory; it's pretty unlikely, though. It's much more probable that it was created on behalf of a competing candidate.

    This is worrying news.

    Why? Because it shows that the "contest of ideas" that the Liberal leadership campaign is supposed to represent is potentially breaking down into a nasty (and personal) political knife fight. Sure, it may not seem like a big problem to attack Volpe, considering the terrible optics of the scandal and his non-frontrunner status, but how long will it be before the Ignatieff, Rae, Brison, Dryden and Kennedy camps start doing it to each other?

    Remember, Liberals, that you aren't the only ones reading these blogs and comments. Just like on the cop shows, "anything you say can and will be used against you". Rest assured that Harper and his Republican-lite minions are taking careful note of every mudball that Liberals hurl at each other; rest equally assured that they can and will be used against you when the next election comes.

    Democratic-party-style "circular firing squads" are not something that Canadian Liberals need to import. Trust me, they suck. Badly. The Liberals have a difficult enough job ahead of them without aiding and abetting Harper's Republican consultants.

    By Blogger Demosthenes, at 1:34 PM  

  • demosthenes: "Because it shows that the "contest of ideas" that the Liberal leadership campaign is supposed to represent is potentially breaking down into a nasty (and personal) political knife fight."

    I direct you to the aforementioned sleazy maggot Jim Karygiannis.

    By Blogger Raymaker, at 1:42 PM  

  • "It's much more probable that it was created on behalf of a competing candidate".

    Looks like an individual frustrated by the V/K show who decided to bite back. Thousands have the talent to execute the site given the motivation.

    By Blogger anonymous, at 1:45 PM  

  • Did no one in the Liberal Party send Joe the post election memo entitled: "What Not To Do In Order For The Liberal Party To Be Re-elected Someday?"
    Sheeesh -

    By Blogger leftdog, at 1:58 PM  

  • If any of you have half the energy of the tory blogroll you will have already checked the registration by now.

    * fake oakville phone number
    * fake belleville address
    * real belleville postal code (city hall)

    By Blogger anonymous, at 2:13 PM  

  • ...which is probably as meaningful as the NCAA hockey reference.

    By Blogger anonymous, at 2:15 PM  

  • Volpe is an embarsment to the Liberal party, along with with his thugish campaign chair.

    If another Liberal camp is behind the site than I salute them for rightfully attacking a person like Volpe who has no business running for leadership because he is a joke.

    Honestly any Liberal party member supporting Volpe needs their head checked out. Do you morons honestly think Volpe has a chance in hell of being PM?

    By Blogger polarslam, at 2:38 PM  

  • Not to be left on the sidelines a Tory site piles on:

    Libranos Drug Mart

    By Blogger anonymous, at 3:09 PM  

  • The site is hosted through Go-Daddy in Arizona. It was setup pretty quick and well done suggesting someone with skills and a relationship with Go-Daddy. Do any of the other campaigns use Go-Daddy?

    By Blogger The Rat, at 3:14 PM  

  • everyone and their dog does.

    By Blogger matt, at 3:25 PM  

  • That narrows it down considerably. They've heard of Go Daddy which means they've watched the Super Bowl. They've heard of Cogliano which means they watch hockey.

    By Blogger anonymous, at 3:54 PM  

  • Davenport Liberal should retract his suggestion that loans are illegal under C-24. They are not.

    By Blogger Peter Loewen, at 4:31 PM  

  • Davenport Liberal should retract his suggestion that loans are illegal under C-24. They are not.

    By Blogger Peter Loewen, at 4:31 PM  

  • "I think this is an indication of people's confidence in Joe Volpe as a leadership candidate and they're doing everything they can to ensure that support comes from all quarters".

    Ah its about diversity...widening the fundraising base from just apotex executives to include the minor children of apotex executives. The folks who gave APO-JOE the other 30% of his funds must be thrilled with Joe.

    By Blogger anonymous, at 4:32 PM  

  • Children under 18 donating isn't illegal per se. Loans aren't illegal per se.

    By Blogger anonymous, at 4:34 PM  

  • I think the site's been taken down. It's not working for me. Could just be my browser though.

    By Blogger Zac, at 4:39 PM  

  • The site is down. :(

    By Blogger Liberal Fortunes, at 4:45 PM  

  • Uh oh, people were getiing to close to "Mr. Big". The site is gone. I hope someone cached it . . .

    By Blogger The Rat, at 4:45 PM  

  • Go Daddy or the Registrar would have knocked the site down when told the registration details were bogus. Whoever approached Go Daddy might have asked for the true address of the payee but would not give it.

    By Blogger anonymous, at 4:51 PM  

  • They might also have been getting enough traffic to start owing more than they cared to.

    They should have done Google ad placement. Google probably would have done Apotex placements!

    By Blogger anonymous, at 4:54 PM  

  • Glad I checked it out earlier in the day. I wonder if Volpe threatened to sue them.

    By Blogger Red Tory, at 5:11 PM  

  • Red Tory,

    Volpe has never threatened to sue anybody... ever!

    Classy,articulate,even-tempered, people don't do things like that.

    By Blogger Liberal Fortunes, at 5:29 PM  

  • C'mon...it was you with the lawsuit wasn't it LF?

    By Blogger Zac, at 6:32 PM  

  • LPC's National Director:

    "Mr. Volpe's going above and beyond the law and I think that's commendable on his part," he said.

    Beyond the law. Great choice of words.

    By Blogger anonymous, at 6:42 PM  

  • ". . . above and Beyond the Law"

    Isn't that how most Liberals view themselves?

    By Blogger The Rat, at 9:11 PM  

  • Darlings, you're all too paranoid. In the very likeliest of scenarios, that wonderfully funny site was created by a political junkie having a good laugh - not a rival camp or a Tory.

    Honestly now, you don't see Republicans attacking articles in The Onion. If it was a rival camp, then who cares? It was still a wonderful laugh to begin the day with.

    By Blogger Lois, at 10:19 PM  

  • Well CG, you did say that Volpe running would be good for a laugh, and he hasn't let us down! What a trooper.

    By Blogger Dave, at 10:27 PM  

  • How can a loan not be breaking the true intent of c-24 which states no one person can donate in kind,services and monies above $5,400 per person

    So a person endorsing a loan of 100,000 or 200,000 dollars is not in violation

    I think all candidates should spend only the monies they have from donations they have received

    I believe that's at the end of the day the true intent of C-24

    By Blogger Davenport Liberal, at 10:34 PM  

  • Well DL, C-24 actually makes explicit provisions for loans, so I don't think it's terribly logical to suggest that something which is clearly allowed in the legislation is contrary to the spirit of the legislation.

    These loans have to be repaid, and they have to include interest. Accordingly, the potential quid pro quo is severely limited.

    By Blogger Peter Loewen, at 12:22 AM  

  • I guess Volpe's office convinced the CIRA to take the site down (the group that controls .ca domains).

    I propose we create the website
    VolpeforInternetCensorship.com

    By Blogger Kirk, at 9:39 AM  

  • Globe quotes a Brenden Johnstone with the Volpe campaign:

    "My Office has had the website suspended through CIRA [Canadian Internet Registration Authority] and CDNS [Canadian Domain Name Services] and it will be down as soon as 6 p.m."

    By Blogger anonymous, at 10:52 AM  

  • The day he gives the $'s back he's still hard at it:

    Volpe, the former immigration minister, said the kids heard him speak during the last election at Bialik Hebrew Day School in Toronto and found him compelling.

    "Apparently these kids just connected with me; they loved what I did," he said. "When they heard I was running for the leadership, they said 'What can we do?' "

    ...The school's director of education didn't remember Volpe giving a speech at the school, but added it's possible he might have spoken to a class and he wasn't aware of it.


    I wonder if anyone can confirm that he was never there?

    By Blogger anonymous, at 3:04 PM  

  • Censorship???
    So if you or I saw a website that was attacking the party,
    you or I, you are telling me you would let this stay up!!
    I have no problem with websites that contradict a person?s
    view and provide alternate information but do it properly.
    The account had a bogus address, phone and city. I?m sure
    if party, you or I where attacked we would do the same to
    bring it down.

    By Blogger Davenport Liberal, at 3:57 PM  

  • Hey Dave, isn't what you just said almost the definition of censorship? Why is it bad that a website attack the Liberals? The site came down on a technicality, would you have fought to take it down if it was properly registered? If so, you are a prime example of a censorship supporter. And a danger to democracy.

    By Blogger The Rat, at 4:02 PM  

  • The only way you can have an anonymous .ca site is to have a 3rd party that will not give out your name when libel chill arrives.

    Not having that fake contact data is a way to get a site up for a short while, but anyone can take you down.

    If the spoofer had found a 3rd party, you can be certain that having only that name Volpe's folks would have served them with a suit.

    The .ca rules are *alledgely* there to slow down foreign registrants and make them go through someone with Canadian presence.

    By Blogger anonymous, at 4:15 PM  

  • Taylor is chasing the deregistration and it doesn't add up

    By Blogger anonymous, at 5:02 PM  

  • I was following the Joe Volpe and youthforvolpe.ca website discussion that the Globe and Mail reports today was pulled down by CIRA after pressure from Joe Volpe's lawyers. This brought up some cool legal and free speech issues. I noticed that on smalldeadanimals.com, Mike F. asked:

    "Perhaps everybody should contact CIRA at http://www.cira.ca/en/contactus-1.html and ask if this is their standard operating policy."

    Mike F., that is a very good question. Here is the problem.

    CIRA has a very clear policy (as do all web registrars) that you cannot register a website without real and correct personal information: In other words, that they will cancel your web registration if you use a fake name.

    There are many reasons for this, some of them even good ones.

    So that may be why CIRA was persuaded (that and an oodle of Liberal connections) to pull it down.

    It is likely that Volpe would have a much harder time pulling down the:

    http://policycanada.blogspot.com

    site because the Blogger is posting under his own name and isn't violating any laws or Blogger Terms of Service that I'm aware of.

    It appears to me very unlikely that the creator of this content, "Mike Hunt", would object to this being reposted. There is no affirmative copyright statement on the PDF and I believe that the creator intended it to be in the "public domain".

    However, I am not a lawyer and I strongly advice you NOT to visit:

    http://policycanada.blogspot.com

    except to complain to the Blogger and warn him that he shouldn't post that hilariously funny youthforvolpe.ca spoof until all copyright, third-party copyright, and any other legal issues are settled.

    Finally, I read that another courageous Blogger, Richard, plans to host this controversial youthforvolpe.ca website website (not as a PDF, but as actual working website) on an American web server under his own name registered with a ".com" address.

    He intends to use this domain name:

    http://www.youthforvolpe.no-libs.com/

    I caution you against visiting there for the reasons given above. I draw your attention to this URL because, as a website registrant myself who has three .com names hosted (click on my name link to visit one), I'm curious about free speech issues regarding the Internet and I consider this a lively discussion!

    I've heard that Richard may be the infamous "Mike Hunt" who, naughty boy, may have provided incorrect info to CIRA, which resulted in his youthforvolpe.ca website quite rightly being removed. However, I am in no way alleging this so please do not sue me, Richard.

    Thanks.


    FINAL WARNING: All web addresses in bold type should not be visited in order to potentially protect other people's copyrights and other valid legal interests. They are given for the purpose of advancing the discussion regarding freedom of speech and Internet domain name registration — and because they are already in the public domain. The only other reason the website addresses are given is so you can do a "Blogger profile" or "whois" search and complain to the website owners directly if you believe that their behaviour is wrong.

    [cross posted from the previous CalgaryGrit post because it was relevant to this one]

    By Blogger Christoph Dollis, at 6:02 PM  

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    By Blogger Kirk, at 12:43 PM  

  • screwed up there and only realized aftrer I posted...

    Yes, I would let it stay up. The website was nothing more than a large political cartoon - and while it may look official for a moment, I'm sure most people realize that it's satire after reading a paragraph...

    Plus, this would have been great opportunity for Volpe to say, "Yes, our campaign team screwed up. I'm very sorry that this happed. But it has helped all of us realize how convoluted our financial contribution system is. And whether I win or lose, I am dedicated to getting electoral laws changed so that this does not happen again."

    At least that way you save face...

    By Blogger Kirk, at 12:54 PM  

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