Tuesday, May 23, 2006

Go West Young Man

The main leadership news from over the weekend is that Gerard Kennedy is musing about running in Western Canada next election. I for one think this is a gutsy move on Kennedy's part and good news for the Liberal Party. Yes, he has what should be an easily winnable seat in Parkdale ready for him, but the Liberal Party needs to reach out to Western Canada and this would be a small step in the right direction. The mind frame among many Liberals that this party should write off the 125 ridings outside of Ontario and Quebec is self-destructive and I think there are as many seats to be picked up in the West as in Quebec.

Now, speculation will obviously turn to what riding Gerard should run in. BC makes the most electoral sense but I think Manitoba or Alberta would be better choices due to Gerard's roots in those provinces. Running in Vancouver (say, in Emerson's riding) might lead to more "parachute candidate" complaints and comparisons to John Turner.

Here's a look at some possible ridings:

Winnipeg South: While there are, quite literally, big shoes to fill in this riding, Rod Bruinooge's 110 vote win certainly makes this riding a good bet to return to the Liberals in the future.

Winnipeg South Centre: Anita Neville is 63 so I wouldn't consider her a sure bet to run again.

Charleswood-St.James-yada yada: Glen Murray had a tough time here in 2004 so another parachute star candidate might not be the wisest move.

Edmonton Centre: This one would obviously be contingent on Anne McLellan not running. The riding has shown a willingness to elect a Liberal heavy hitter time and time again. On the downside, Anne was beloved in the riding and still lost last election.

Edmonton Strathcona: The Liberals only got 18% in Strathcona last election, but Jaffer never wins it with more than 41 or 42% of the vote. This University riding has always had the potential to go Liberal or NDP if either party ran a strong candidate and Kennedy is certainly an individual who could appeal to NDP voters. But like Edmonton Centre, this one would be very difficult to win unless Kennedy was the party leader.

Crowfoot: This riding is ripe for the taking! A mere 800% increase in the Liberal vote and we'd be competitive here!


  • I have to agree with your observation. To have any hope of winning the next election the Liberal Party will have to look outside of Ontaio and Quebec. I live in Quebec on the island of Montreal, and the Liberals as a party are dead here for a very very long time. The sponsorship scandal hit home here particularly hard....and the french with their sense of pride will not be forgiing to the Liberals for the next two (?) elections.

    By Blogger Bookyards Beta Search Engine, at 8:38 p.m.  

  • The Liberals are dead in Alberta too. It's a Liberal wasteland for at least a generation. Running anywhere in Alberta would be political suicide for Kennedy. It would be gutsy alright, but fundamentally stupid.

    By Blogger George, at 8:48 p.m.  

  • CG- I disagree with your assessment and do not think that the best way for the Liberals to gain credibility in the west is to "parachute" a candidate into a riding. Kennedy has not lived in the west for over a decade and I believe that people are smart enough to know a political ploy for an extra seat when they see one. It would be the same thing if Stephen Harper decided to run in St. Pauls in Toronto. He would lose respect - and so will Kennedy if he tries that trick.
    I think if the Liberals want to become a truly national party again they ought to develop policies that reach out beyond their urban base and stop being so condescending towards anyone who disagrees with them. Remember - Tories were telling Harper to write off Quebec and focus on Ontario, but he kept at it and won ten seats.

    By Blogger Unknown, at 8:55 p.m.  

  • Yes, I think it's good politics for GK to say he may run out west.

    No, I don't think he has absolutely any intent on actually doing it.

    By Blogger Leroy McSodapop, at 9:23 p.m.  

  • Ignatieff is the Liberal Michael Dukakis, and Rae would be their Kim Campbell. This talk of Kennedy running out west gives him a John Turner aura, something that should be avoided. Doesn't Kennedy live in Peggy Nash's riding? As the next election is going to be about re-gaining what the Liberals lost to the NDP, he should take on Nash. Running where the Liberals have third party status, like many Alberta ridings, is unwise.

    By Blogger nuna d. above, at 9:29 p.m.  

  • Is this assuming he'll be Liberal leader?

    By Blogger Yining Su, at 9:39 p.m.  

  • I think party Leaders (assuming Gerard becomes Lib Leader) do very well outside their geographical "base", just because of the "pork" factor. A party Leader can't get things done for their riding in a way a mere MP cannot. That sways alot of votes.

    Now, apparently, when you say the Libs are dead outside of Ontario and Quebec, you have forgotten the Maritimes? Or do they mean dick out West?

    By Blogger bigcitylib, at 9:53 p.m.  

  • bigcitylib; My whole point is that the Libs need to look outside of Ontario and Quebec. So, yes, the Maritimes should not be written off either (although there aren't a ton of seats there).

    yining; I think this is regardless of whether or not Kennedy wins. Unlike certain former NDP premiers, he's made it know he'll run for the Liberals federally, win or lose.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 10:05 p.m.  

  • Kennedy has real connections to the West, having lived here for 25 years. He is no parachute candidate. He is the real deal.

    By Blogger West For Kennedy, at 10:14 p.m.  

  • a western liberal is a dead liberal, electorally speaking.

    Even the downtown ridings in Vancouver are suspect . . .
    lost the west , lost Quebec, losing Ontario - thnx Dalton, & the maritmes votes with the wind 'cause their smart . . . tough row to hoe.

    By Blogger Fred's, at 10:58 p.m.  

  • CG, why didn't you consider a Saskatchewan seat?

    By Blogger John Murney , at 11:22 p.m.  

  • For the record guys,

    Kennedy has not ruled out a run in Quebec either...

    oh the possibilities

    By Blogger Anthony, at 11:49 p.m.  

  • "I think party Leaders (assuming Gerard becomes Lib Leader) do very well outside their geographical "base", just because of the "pork" factor."

    Potential Prime Ministers, yes. Prospective Leaders of Her Majest's Loyal Opposition... not so much.

    By Blogger deaner, at 11:52 p.m.  

  • john; Gerard has lived in Manitoba and Alberta for a long time, so those seemed like the logical choices.

    I also don't see a ton of winable ridings in Sask which aren't already held by Liberals.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 12:45 a.m.  

  • There's no way I would want Kennedy running out here in BC!

    I like Kennedy... in fact, if I'm a delegate, I'd put him as my number two, but running somewhere where he hasn't had much recent history is cheesy.

    I know Iggs did the same thing and I also think that's cheesy.

    I think there are better ways of getting the West to feel more included - like having more Western-friendly policies; Giving us some more Government HQs (Canadian Tourism Commission is the only one in Van); making more announcements and visiting the West more.

    That to me seems more genuine. I respect Kennedy's eagerness to reach out to the West and I truly commend him. I just think that doing it by choosing what riding in a part of the country you have very few roots in (and don't try to sell me that crap about him growing up in Manitoba like twenty years ago), is weak.

    By Blogger Pedro, at 12:58 a.m.  

  • "Unlike certain former NDP premiers, he's made it know he'll run for the Liberals federally, win or lose."

    Bob Rae has said several times, including at his Calgary event, that he'll run assuming the new leader wants him to. Respect!

    By Blogger YYC Liberal, at 1:37 a.m.  

  • You guys stay away from Edmonton-Strathcona. :)

    Edmonton Centre could be great.

    But I think he has to work on winning the leadership first, hm?

    By Blogger Mike Gillis, at 1:43 a.m.  

  • I really like the idea Bart. Here's what I wrote about it with my local perspective:

    The Grit also likes what he's hearing about his pony maybe running in the west should Kennedy win the leadership. CG thinks there's more to gain should he run in Alberta or Manitoba considering his roots, rather than BC which seesm to be having its fill of riding manipulations lately.

    I agree with Bart whole-heartedly on this one, and I'll go him one further. The gains and spin-off gains to be made running in Alberta are negligible, however there's not only a juicy fat Liberal riding waiting here in Manitoba, but running the leader in the province leads to many spin off benefits for the Liberals.

    The ready-made riding is Anita Neville's (and my home turf) Winnipeg South Centre. CG only refers to Anita's age as a deciding factor, but there's oh so many more, namely:

    1. Anita's got her pension and this last campaign took a year or two off her life. She isn't running again no matter what.

    2. The Liberal's lost their provincial general when Reg Alcock went down swinging. Whoever is going to inheirit the "grand Liberal poobah in Manitoba" title is probably going to run in that riding unless the leader does. Should Kennedy decide that he wants it, he will have a hammer lock on the Manitoba machinery.

    3. The last election showed that the riding is much safer than Tories - including this Tory - ever gave it credit for. It's not a riding that he has to campaign hard to win. (After all, look at Anita's last "sit in the office and make phone calls" campaign.)

    4. That being said, one of the biggest obsticles in this election was the "...But Harper" vote, who thought we had a fine candidate, but couldn't get past the leader. Recent polling would suggest that the "...But Harper" vote has diminished somewhat, no? So while any old Liberal would still have a good chance of holding the riding, inserting the leader into the riding would surely lock it in.

    5. Better results in other ridings in the province. I doubt any of the remaining three Liberals in the province rest too well on their support. Tina Keeper in the North won due to the NDP and Bev Desjarlais' scrape and vote-split, and Raymond Simard in St. Boniface has seen his margian of victories get narrower and narrower. They could certainly be helped with a little leadership booster.

    6. Manitobans would be tickled with the idea of a "Manitoba" leader potentially becoming a "Manitoba" Prime Minister. That would probably help out at least three other ridings in the city and maybe, just maybe, a rural seat if Gerard Kennedy really turns out to be the real deal.

    So shoring up some of his seats and taking it to a few others. Being seen as running in his birth province, rather than just a parachute candidate. Fighting a battle in the West.

    Yep, it's a bold and aggressive idea. I really like it from a strategy point of view.

    By Blogger The Hack, at 1:55 a.m.  

  • CalgaryGrit;
    I think Edmonton Centre isnt going to go Liberal no matter who they run. Laurie Hawn, who has probably been the biggest newcomer Conservative MP who didnt make cabinet is a very good at everything. He served 30 years in the RCAF, which is vey popular in that riding, and he doorknocks on 30,000 houses every election. I went up there (live just outside Calgary) to help with the doorknocking this election and I was extreamly impressed with everything with that campaign. THat day we literally had a hundred volunteers out doorknocking in -20 weather. That riding only went to landslide Annie by 700 votes in 2004. Ann was very popular with many Edmontonians, and I just dont feel they will feel the same way about some guy who just moved over from Ontario, or atleast like him more then Laurie Hawn.

    By Blogger Brad, at 1:58 a.m.  

  • I would add a few more suggestions

    Kildonan-St. Paul - Joy Smith only got 43% and 37% in 2004 so with the NDP getting over 20% both times, this is winneable.

    Edmonton East - This riding did go Liberal in 1993 and provincially generally prefers centre-left candidates. Peter Goldring did get 50% although I suspect a lot of this had more to do with the fact many Liberals just didn't bother to show up since they were so disgusted with the campaign.

    Calgary Centre - Not likely that he could win this riding, but if the Liberals ever breakthrough into Calgary, this would be the first riding to fall.

    Calgary West - Would be great to have someone like him knockoff a dingbat like Rob Anders, but I cannot see it happening even if he did run here. This is a riding where if the Conservative candidate was a monkey and the Liberal candidate was God, the monkey would win.

    By Blogger Monkey Loves to Fight, at 2:51 a.m.  

  • As a Liberal in Manitoba I think that Kennedy or any Liberal would win Winnipeg River Heights Fort Gary in a walk. But I want Kennedy to win a seat from the Tories. So that leaves Winnipeg South, but Reg Alcock is saying he is going to run again, allthough I would love to knock him off at the nomination meeting and add to his recent string of losing (the election, Belinda, etc etc.)

    Kildonan St. Paul and Charleswood are other possibilities, allthough Charleswood would be tough.

    As to people thinking he would be a "parachute" candidate I disagree. His strong local roots would play well on the door step and in the media. Even if he does not become leader, he would still do very well in any of the mentioned ridings.

    By Blogger polarslam, at 11:31 a.m.  

  • He might run in the "west" (defined as Manitoba) and he might move his family to Quebec.

    You're right, that is exciting. How many relatives does he have? Can he deploy a Kennedy or at least a family friend in, say, eight or more provinces? Because that's what people base their votes on. Does he know anyone who taught at Harvard that he could adopt? That'll shave a few points off Ignatieff. A former New Democrat he could hug? Rae will be toast. An ex-intergovernmental affairs minister he could hire as a cabana boy? I hear Andrew Petter comes cheap.

    Gentle advice, at the risk of repeating: try not to be absurd.

    By Blogger Paul, at 11:43 a.m.  

  • It's almost a shame that Tina Keeper is the MP for Churchill, cause she is going to lose to the Dippers in the next election when they are not running two candidates.

    Kennedy would have been a natural to represent the North where his father ran in 1984.

    By Blogger polarslam, at 11:52 a.m.  

  • Bart, I cannot believe you like this idea. Less than a month ago Kennedy was talking about looking for new schools for his children in Quebec! His campaign desparately needs to stop being wishy washy and start focusing on more important issues than image. Kennedy should be a good candidate, but these sorts of antics are not helping in the least.

    By Blogger Jason Cherniak, at 12:19 p.m.  

  • Jason,

    There are no antics on Kennedy's part. He never said he was moving to Quebec (reporter got it wrong), he said he was going to spend part of the campaign there and he is.

    As far as possibly seeking a seat in the West, it is an absolute natural move for him to consider.

    All of his family lives in Alberta and Manitoba and he lived and worked in the West for 25 years.

    We in the West, do consider him to be credibly from the West. He is the only candidate that has lived almost half of his life in the West and the other half in the East.

    He could win in the East or the West and the party will be better off for it.

    By Blogger West For Kennedy, at 1:34 p.m.  

  • I don't think the Liberals "get" the West. Just running a leader out here isn't going to the turn the tide.

    The main problem w/ the Liberals isn't one thing. They have a history and reputation of arrogance and writing off the West to get votes out east. The Liberals don't seem to understand the entrepreneurial nature of the prairies and when they do make note of it, it's to scare Ontario voters away from the Conservatives.

    Ultimately, a former Ontario education minister w/ socialist leanings saying he's from the West won't be the breakthrough the Liberals are looking for. Maybe he did live out here for 25 years. Does anyone here know who he is? No, they're just going to see an Easterner trying to pander to the West for votes. History has shown us that when a Liberal leader tries to make nice w/ us, we end up getting burned.

    There's decades of antagonism here that's gonna take more than one candidate to fix. The Liberals will need a complete overhaul for any sort of breakthrough. This means not only talking, but actually walking. And that's been the Liberals' problem for decades.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:45 p.m.  

  • Sean... except for the fact that there is an NDP government in Saskatchewan and Manitoba, a Liberal government in BC which replaced an NDP government, other than all of the non-Alberta provinces in other words, you are right about liberals not getting the "West".


    By Blogger Ted Betts, at 1:58 p.m.  

  • Ted.. not to sound silly.. but..

    The Liberals in BC are more like Conservatives (because there isn't a Conservative party in BC provincially).

    In Saskatchewan and Manitoba the Liberal Party barely registers on the electoral map, the government always shifts between the NDP and conservative ideological parties. Even the NDP in these provinces aren't the same breed as the federal NDP ideologically.

    The Liberals don't get rural Canadians (and often they antagonize them with bad policies), and hence they forfeit large tracts of the west (and Canada in general) to the opposition.

    By Blogger Eric, at 2:21 p.m.  

  • Teddy,

    The Liberals in BC are conservative in everything but name. They ran on a conservative platform (lower taxes, budget cuts) and actually kept to it. When was the last time the federal Liberals kept their promises?

    Did I even mention the NDP in my comment? Let me check...nope, I didn't. The Grits and Dippers are two different parties, last time I checked. The Liberals may steal their ideas once in a while if it'll get 'em a vote but they're still two separate entities.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:21 p.m.  

  • Federal Libreral voters in Manitoba and Sask. vote NDP provincally. Gary Doer and Lorne Calvert are no differnt idealogicaly from any left centre federal Liberal.

    As for people claiming Kennedy is pulling a stunt with the Quebec annoucment and this Western idea, they are wrong. The reporter for the Globe got it wrong, Kennedy never claimed he was moving to Quebec he stated he was going to be based there this summer to connect with the region and to better his French. And this idea to run in the West is a great idea and a real boost to Liberal out here.

    By Blogger polarslam, at 2:39 p.m.  

  • Jason; I don't see any inconsistency. Kennedy has admited his French needs work so he'll spend a month or two this summer in Quebec working on it. Since everyone concedes bilingualism is a must, I think this is a good move.

    And I think it makes sense for Gerard to consider a Western riding. He spent 25 years out West and contributed a lot to Edmonton with his food bank work.

    As for everyone else saying the Liberals don't get the West and this won't do anything, I called it a "small step in the right direction". Kind of like the Tories holding their policy convention in Quebec last year - yes, it's mostly symbolic, but it sends the right message.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 2:51 p.m.  

  • I'll say it again, as I have said on other blogs...

    Making a commitment is gutsy, musing is calculating.

    If Mr. Kennedy were to commit to running in the West, I would consider that to be a gutsy move, but to muse is to generate false hope.

    Preston Manning anyone?

    By Blogger c-lo, at 3:06 p.m.  

  • Charleswood - St. James - Assiniboia wouldn't be such a good move for Kennedy. There was a lot of talk in the riding during the 2004 and 2006 elections regarding Murray and Loewen having no ties to the community; at least they were long-term residents of the city in the years leading up to the election. Fletcher's support went up by more then the Conservative support in Manitoba during the 2006 election, despite Loewen having all of Alcock's people for the first two-thirds of the campaign (before they went over to help Anita and up for Tina)

    Fair disclosure - I am a partisan Conservative who volunteered on Steven's 2004 and 2006 election campaigns.

    By Blogger Greg P, at 3:21 p.m.  

  • I am sorry but you Kennedy guys are just goofy.
    The reporter from the Globe got it wrong did he.
    Kennedy never said that did he.
    Then why is it still scrolling across the breaking news on his website.
    "Gerard Kennedy and family to live in Quebec for part of the summer"

    Man oh man the Kennedy campaign is looking more and more like the last Liberal election campaign.

    Running from stunt to stunt to try to get press.
    Mixed messages.
    I notice the press is still reporting that he FOUNDED the Edmonton food bank and no one in the Kennedy campaign seems to be trying to correct that one either.

    Polarslam and west for Kennedy you guys better get onto your webmaster and get that fixed.
    Maybe the globe reporter that got it wrong also writes for the Kennedy website.

    I have to agree with Jason on this one.
    This stuff is getting embarrassing.

    By Blogger Aristo, at 4:35 p.m.  

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    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 5:07 p.m.  

  • Partly leaders almost always win unless their fortunes are going down in flames. If Kennedy, or whoever else becomes leader are smart, they won't run in a "safe" seat. Personally, I think the race is down to Kennedy and Ignatieff now.

    I hate to say it, but Kennedy might have a shot in one of those Edmonton ridings - but only if he's the leader. I think he'd have a better shot in Strathcona, or in a new riding (which would be created following the census).

    By Blogger Michael Fox, at 5:46 p.m.  

  • Chernaik is one of those guys who I really do want to like and respect, but he comes up with such crazy ideas?!?! What he said about Kennedy is such political rhetoric.

    As a fellow Lib, I want to take him seriously, but it's embarassing when all he comes up with is spin.

    Having said that, though, Jason, I'm sure you're a super great guy, opinions aside.

    By Blogger Pedro, at 5:49 p.m.  

  • Sorry wasn't he the candidate moving to Quebec just last week now he wants to run out west, I would suggest newfoundland were his type of Liberal common sense is way of life.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:21 p.m.  

  • Aristo,

    You are only embarassing yourself. Yes, Kennedy is spending part of the summer in Quebec. And yes, that is not the same as permanently moving somewhere as the reporter wrongly reported. Why are you so bothered by that? It is bizarre. Furthermore, it has nothing to do with him talking about possibly seeking a seat in Western Canada where he is from. It is great that the Liberal Party has some leadership candidates that could win in the West.

    Or does all your "protest" stem from the fact that your candidate could not win a seat in the West??

    By Blogger West For Kennedy, at 11:39 p.m.  

  • Why do people think that Kennedy will even appeal to the West?

    He says he was raised here. Fine, but no one knows who he is.

    His biggest problem is that he's a Liberal. Even if he wins, his own worst enemy out here will be the Liberal party's own history.

    The previous three Liberals were the ones who could in the West, and we all know how that worked out. I don't think Kennedy will be any different.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:51 p.m.  

  • I think Aristo and Jason lack a understanding of Western Canada and the political realities of this area. The Liberal Party cannot win the next election based on eastern votes, the math is obvious, the Liberal Party would be wise to pay attention. Mr. Kennedy's enterprising theme will play well out here, a young, bright and new generational of leadership this brings gives the Liberals real hope. The fact he has lived both in the east and the west and would be the first Liberal Leader elected and born west of Ontario would send a message of change, something this party has to convey to Canadians. As a business person I would vote for Mr.Kennedy for these reasons. The only thing I find embarrassing is your biased blogs which do the Liberal Party no favours. Maybe you can explain their experiences of your canadidate and how that will help them relate to the Western Provinces?

    By Blogger a western view, at 1:22 a.m.  

  • West for Kennedy
    I am embarrasing myself?
    What does that say about Kennedy's own website that says he is moving to Quebec.
    Is he embarrasing himself?
    It seems that Kenendy supporters consistently have only a very tenuous connection to the truth.

    A western View
    I live in Calgary, I think I have a good grasp of western politics, Mr Kennedy's enterprising theme may play well out here as it MEANS NOTHING.
    The more I see the more I believe Kennedy is a Liberal Stockwell Day.
    His only hook is he is young.
    When is his Jet ski press conference coming?

    By Blogger Aristo, at 10:58 a.m.  

  • Aristo,

    The Kennedy website states that Kennedy and his family will "live in Quebec for part of the summer". There is no statement that claims he is moving to Quebec, so get your facts straight.

    At least Kennedy has a solid history of living, working and contributing within Canada(East and West) for his entire life, unlike your candidate.
    Liberals in the West will judge for themselves.

    By Blogger West For Kennedy, at 4:51 p.m.  

  • West for Kennedy

    Are you thick or what

    live(rhymes with give) verb: have ones home; she lives up the road.

    How do you live somewhere without moving there for gods sake don't tell me to get my facts straight when you do not even know what a very simple word means.

    You don't even have to GRADUATE from university to know what some really simple words mean.

    By Blogger Aristo, at 11:07 p.m.  

  • Aristo,

    You seem to be desperate to smear Kennedy. You must be bothered by the fact he has Western connections and you're candidate does not. Living somewhere for part of the summer, is just that, part of the summer. According to your own unique definition, everyone who takes a vacation or spends time visiting a different part of the country must have also moved to that place.
    Hmmm. I think you should re-think that one, it is quite the stretch.

    By Blogger West For Kennedy, at 1:37 a.m.  

  • according to my unique definition (from the Gage Canadian dictionary by the way) the word live means exactly that.
    It obviously does not include Vacations or Visits, if you could read you would know that.
    Kennedy chose the word "live"
    Live means what it does.
    If Kennedy people have a problem with reality that is not my problem.
    Kennedy is saying he will "live" somewhere. That means he will make his home there. That is the definition of the word live. I did not make up that definition.
    I fail to see what is the stretch here, except perhaps your vocabulary.
    Take (in your case 10 minutes) and open up a dictionary, you know those big thick books that tell you what words mean.
    Look up the word live.
    Then come back and talk to me.
    Man oh man, thick is an understatement

    By Blogger Aristo, at 10:58 a.m.  

  • Aristo,

    Your desperation to smear Kennedy is so ridiculous, it speaks for itself.

    By Blogger West For Kennedy, at 2:55 p.m.  

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    Oh yes try to insult me, try to question my motives.
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    Just admit it.
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