Friday, May 05, 2006

The New Leader of the Opposition

With the Liberals in the midst of a leadership race, it appears that it won't so much be Bill Graham who is Stephen Harper's biggest foe. Rather, Dalton McGuinty seems to have taken on the role of opposition leader to Stephen Harper. It makes sense; with Ralph Klein neutered and Jean Charest being courted, an Ontario-Ottawa confrontation was almost inevitable.

While McGuinty has been critical of the PM, Stephen Harper made it personal yesterday by introducing John Tory as "the next Premier of Ontario". At the same time, Dalton must be growing a little bit jealous of Jean Charest who appears to get weekly dates with Harper, photo ops, a voice in foreign affairs, you name it.

It's hard to say where this feud will end, but with Harper musing about redefining confederation, the next year should make for very interesting political theater.


In Other News...

Stephen Harper has "flip-flopped" on the release of the Prime Ministerial agenda. If there is anyone out there who:

a) understands this issue
b) knows why we should care about it

I'd love to hear from you in the comments section.

97 Comments:

  • I have never seen such utter disrespect by a prime minister. John Tory is the biggest sellout on the face of the earth. Difference between Dalton and John, dalton fights for ontario, john fights for conservatives. The Mcguinty campaign just signed up a new volunteer.

    By Blogger CHRIS, at 11:59 PM  

  • I love your blog. I try to keep mine kind of light but every now and then I feel I get something that needs to be seen. Check out the link and do what you feel is needed.

    http://themsfightinwords.blogspot.com/2006/05/look-at-this-then-complain.html

    By Blogger Nastyboy, at 1:16 AM  

  • Nice muscles.

    As for the flip-flop—perhaps Harper just wants to be more like an American President: stealthy, superfluous, and internationally important enough to be assassinated. (Except without the budget for bulletproof limos. ...or a Secret Service staff. ...or international importance.)

    By Blogger geoff, at 2:36 AM  

  • Take it from an Ontario resident - Dalton McGuinty is only worried about his own political backside.

    He is the worst thing that has happened to Ontario since Bob Rae.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 7:05 AM  

  • Why is this important?

    It is important because releasing the PM's agenda was one of the issues that the Tories used to portray the former Prime Minister as untrustworthy.

    That means that either:

    a) The Tories, in opposition, were using the schedule issue to undermine the credibility of the Prime Minister, without any real interest in the content.

    That's cheap, cynical politics.

    b) They are afraid that they have, or will soon have, something to hide.

    That's worse.
    ______________________

    And Joanne seems to have forgotten about unlamented Ernie Eves.

    By Blogger CfSR, at 7:52 AM  

  • Ernie Eves was weak, but not a threat to the economy the way Dalton is.

    He is self-serving; just like the daycare lobby and MSM.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 9:04 AM  

  • And just to prove that I am not totally partisan, I do think the Stephane Dion is an admirable person. If I were Liberal, I would support him.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 9:05 AM  

  • Like Dalton was nevered introduced in the same manner like by a Federal liberal before....

    By Blogger eastern capitalist, at 9:21 AM  

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    By Blogger CHRIS, at 11:19 AM  

  • HEY JOANNE HAVE A READ

    Ontario's job creation roaring
    May 6, 2006. 08:26 AM
    STEVEN THEOBALD
    BUSINESS REPORTER

    Ontario's economy stunned observers by again leading the country in job creation in April, including a big rebound in manufacturing payrolls.

    But the Canadian dollar's 6 per cent jump in the past five weeks has thrown a pall over any celebrations.

    Total Canadian employment rose 22,000 positions, all full-time, though an increase in the number of people seeking work caused the jobless rate to rise to 6.4 per cent, from 6.3 per cent in March, Statistics Canada reported yesterday. Ontario added 23,800 jobs, on the heels of a 31,200 gain in March, suggesting that Canada's largest province is coping much better than expected with the strong loonie and high energy prices.

    Even manufacturers got in on the act, boosting their payrolls 24,500 positions, led by food processors, printers, machinery and equipment makers and electrical-components producers.

    You'd think these results would please the Bank of Montreal; its optimistic prediction of 3.1 per cent rate of growth for Ontario this year put the bank out above most Bay Street forecasters.

    "Certainly the April employment report lends optimism to the outlook for Ontario's economy," said BMO senior economist Sal Guatieri. But he quickly added that his group will probably downgrade its provincial forecast a few tenths of a percentage point now that the loonie is above 90 cents (U.S.).

    "We were much more comfortable with our outlook for Ontario when the currency was 87 cents," Guatieri said. "We have yet to see the negative impact of that in the data, but it is bound to come."

    Alberta, enjoying the booming oil and gas sector, still added only 2,700 jobs last month, but the 12-month total reached 65,000, up 3.7 per cent, Statistics Canada noted.

    Cooling inflation pressure in red-hot Western Canada is seen as a prime concern for the Bank of Canada, which has been busy raising interest rates six times since fall. Yesterday's strong employment report all but ensures the central bank will raise its benchmark overnight rate further quarter point, to 4.25 per cent,May 24. Floating loan rates, such as prime and variable-rate mortgages, are directly linked to the overnight rate.

    Beyond the next policy-setting date, the Canadian dollar will probably determine the central bank's next move, said Doug Porter, deputy chief economist at BMO Nesbitt Burns.

    The inflation-wary central bank ought to take comfort in the fact that yesterday's jobs report showed wages in April rose only 3.1 per cent year-over-year, down from 3.5 per cent in March and 3.9 per cent in November, he added.

    Ontario's job-creation performance in the last two months has been nothing short of astounding, Porter said.

    The province's factory sector must also be commended for adjusting to a stronger dollar, but a 90-cent loonie is going to be tough for exporters to swallow, he added.

    "Given what the currency has done in recent weeks, if anything, manufacturing jobs are even more at risk than they were a month ago."

    Manufacturers may be struggling with the exchange rate, not to mention high energy prices and competition from low-wage Asia, but all is not lost, said Todd Evans, director of forecasting at Export Development Canada.

    "There is a lot of doom-saying out there, but I think it may be a little much."

    Canadian firms are responding to the currency crunch by investing heavily in new machinery and equipment, and that is paying significant dividends in productivity growth, Evans said.

    "We are always out there speaking to exporters. Pretty well every one of them is putting in new equipment to cut costs."

    In the United States, the economy added 138,000 jobs in April, down from 200,000 in each of the prior two months, the labour department reported yesterday.

    The U.S. unemployment rate was unchanged, at 4.7 per cent.

    Wage inflation rose to 3.8 per cent, the fastest pace in five years, prompting Federal Reserve Board watchers to conclude another quarter-point interest-rate increase on Wednesday is a done deal.

    By Blogger CHRIS, at 11:21 AM  

  • Chris, thanks for that. Where did you find the article?

    If Ontario is booming it is in spite of Dalton, not because of him.

    And if Ontario truly is booming, why are manufacturing plants closing? And why can't I get my provincial health insurance to pay for my eye exam?

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 11:37 AM  

  • Dalton McGuinty is a big, whiney baby. The federal government just lowered the GST by one point. That means Ontario could raise its PST by one point, no one would pay any more tax than they have in the past,and Ontario would have a cash windfall. All Dalton can do is cry about not having a federal sugar daddy.
    Be a leader Dalton. Harmonize Ontario's sales tax with the GST, and keep whatever the feds give up. Or wait for John Tory to do it.

    By Blogger nuna d. above, at 11:40 AM  

  • "We are always out there speaking to exporters. Pretty well every one of them is putting in new equipment to cut costs."

    In southern Ontario, exporters are closing down and moving to Mexico and Romania.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 12:06 PM  

  • Like Dalton was nevered introduced in the same manner like by a Federal liberal before....

    Actually, no. At no point in recent memory has a sitting prime minister spoken at the fundraising event of his or her provincial cousin here in Ontario. Trudeau didn't do it. Turner didn't. Chretien and Martin didn't. Likewise, Clark and Mulroney didn't do it either.

    By Blogger James Bow, at 12:30 PM  

  • And if Ontario truly is booming, why are manufacturing plants closing? And why can't I get my provincial health insurance to pay for my eye exam?

    Well, would you like Harris' tax cuts to be reversed then? Because it would certainly ensure that provincial health insurance paid for eye exams. As for the closing of factories, perhaps you are unaware that the dollar is now trading above 90 cents US, almost 50 percent higher than when the Tories were in power.

    By Blogger Josh Gould, at 12:47 PM  

  • Ignatieff said, and I quote:

    ** I am tired of getting into taxicabs and speaking with people who have as many degrees as I have. It is time to get these people out of the cabs and into the labs **

    Well didn*t Ignatieff just shoot himself in the foot here? Harper just arrived. Is it the Liberal party who have been in power for thirteen years? Then it must be liberal party policy that has people who should be in Labs driving cabs.

    Oh, can*t resist pointing to one*s degrees, eh Ignatieff?


    Bob Rae Said, and I quote.

    **It is Harper and the conservatives who are our opponents, and it is Harper and the conservatives who we have to defeat.**

    This brilliant flash is so pathetic, that I need say nothing. It defines the speaker*s insight value at zero.


    These are the two leading contenders for the Liberal Party. I fear for the total demise of the Liberals.

    That would give Jack Flash and the Natural Dipstick Party no one to split their vote with, unless the Greens made sudden strides forward.

    This is not sniping . I merely point to the Liberal*s open flank in hopes of a stronger Liberal Party. We Canadian voters deserve far better quality and sharpness from those who want to pilot this ship that is Canada.

    Chretien and Martin got sloppy and slipped to within inches of Niagra Falls. We can not afford to get this close to going over the edge again. TG

    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 12:52 PM  

  • Josh - "Well, would you like Harris' tax cuts to be reversed then? Because it would certainly ensure that provincial health insurance paid for eye exams."

    They were, and it didn't.

    "As for the closing of factories, perhaps you are unaware that the dollar is now trading above 90 cents US, almost 50 percent higher than when the Tories were in power."

    A higher Canadian dollar makes exporting more difficult, not less. Think about it for a while.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 1:48 PM  

  • "A higher Canadian dollar makes exporting more difficult, not less. Think about it for a while."

    Uhm, yeah Joanne, that's Josh's point. Since the dollar is high and its harder to export, manufacturers are closing down because of dwindling markets. Or relocating to Mexico. Nothing really to do with Dalton.

    Also if Dalton is to blame for those closings in Southern Ontario, then he can certainly take credit for the enourmous amount of high-tech jobs being created in places like Toronto, Waterloo and Ottawa (our unemployment rate is about 5.8% comapred to 6.4 nationally), so I'm sure there is a net gain for the Ontario economy.

    And how about Toyota and the CAMI factory in Woodstock? They are building and hiring, expanding operations.

    Could it be that this is part of a changing economy and globalization, which you Cons like to support, rather than any actions by a particular provincial premier? Funny how this paricular Federal Conservative party will cut money to Ontario but keep $1.5 billion in subsidies to the oil and gas industry in Alberta intact.

    Take it from another Ontario resident - Dalton isn't great but he is a damn sight better than Eaves and Harris. And the best thing Mike Harris ever did was make Bob Rae look good.

    By Blogger Mike, at 2:09 PM  

  • The best thing Mike Harris did was keep his promises.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 2:40 PM  

  • Of thirty-some US autoparts manufacturing plants, 27 of those are closing to relocate to Mexico.

    Black clouds as far as I can see.

    Will marching Latinos be marching back to Mexico to get a good job? TG

    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 2:42 PM  

  • And why can't I get my provincial health insurance to pay for my eye exam?

    Because you wanted tax cuts. I realize in clownservative land services come without a pricetag, but in the real world you only get what you pay for.

    By Blogger Robert McClelland, at 3:51 PM  

  • McGuinty raised taxes when he added a $900 health tax, and then delisted some previous services. Of course, abortions are still fully funded; available on demand.

    But people are not being encouraged to get an eye exam, and are out there driving and possibly not even realizing that their eyesight is deteriorating.

    However, this is obviously a hostile territory when I hear brilliant phrases like "clownservative land". So I will leave you to your nit-picking.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 4:04 PM  

  • Robert McClelland,

    As per usual, you pot shot the cons, instead of realizing "Oh yeah, it was Dalton McGuinty who did it, not the (add your favorite retarded shot at) Harris/Eves government."

    Get your shots right in public, unlike on your excuse for a blog.

    By Blogger ®oby, at 4:53 PM  

  • Joanne: eye exams are not covered because they are easily expected costs. They are regular and predictable. Health Care is meant to cover costs which are not predictable, and in extension, to prevent exorbinant non predictable expenses which come from not having regular care.

    Having free eye exams will not encourage people with fading or failing eyesight to go for exams. These people will avoid exams even if they were free. The extra expense of eye exams will be absorbed by people who regularly go to eye exams already, or whom have no need for eye exams. BOCTAOE. In Alberta we have free exams for people under 18, and people over 65. I believe that is a fair comprimise.

    As for taxes, the Health Care premiums did not nearly make up for the revenue lost to the Harris tax cuts. To compare the two is like comparing apples to oranges. The tax which was cut was progressive, and the one that was added was regressive. The Harris legacy lives on in the fiscal imbalance.

    By Blogger Lookout Mountain, at 5:04 PM  

  • K O - Unlike your pal Robert, you actually present a logical argument, and don't use sarcasm to make your point.

    I'll have to give this some thought and get back to you.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 5:30 PM  

  • "Take it from an Ontario resident - Dalton McGuinty is only worried about his own political backside.

    He is the worst thing that has happened to Ontario since Bob Rae."

    Yup, shrinking class sizes, labour harmony with teachers, improved testing results has been very bad for Ontario.

    Waiting times are either being reduced or have stopped increasing, again, very bad for Ontario.

    When the Globe and Mail says:

    "But since being sworn in last February, Mr. Harper has shown a profound preference for Quebec and an antipathy toward Ontario and its Liberal Premier that some find borders on disrespect."

    You know you just fucked up. The asshole in Harper just totally bit him in the ass.

    By Blogger Dan McKenzie, at 7:02 PM  

  • "But since being sworn in last February, Mr. Harper has shown a profound preference for Quebec and an antipathy toward Ontario and its Liberal Premier that some find borders on disrespect."

    As compared to the profound respect shown to -say- the Premier of Alberta by the last two PMs, I suppose?

    By Blogger deaner, at 7:49 PM  

  • Quick, how many people here actually know what UNESCO does in exercising its profound impact on Canadian foreign policy and international relations at large? For that matter, what does it stand for? If Quebec has a "voice in foreign affairs," the volume is somewhere between "mute" and "1" on the dial.

    By Blogger RGM, at 8:03 PM  

  • And why on earth is Harper doing this? Ontario delivered 40 seats. Can the dude not add?

    Actually, I am going to enjoy watching Harper self-destruct. I can see the elements coming together now. It's going to be a thing of beauty, I think.

    By Blogger doggerelblogger, at 9:50 PM  

  • And why on earth is Harper doing this? Ontario delivered 40 seats. Can the dude not add?

    stupid is as stupid does.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 10:25 PM  

  • K O - "Health Care is meant to cover costs which are not predictable, and in extension, to prevent exorbinant non predictable expenses which come from not having regular care."

    And that's why abortions are funded?

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 10:36 PM  

  • And that's why abortions are funded?

    http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?lapoint1

    Check this online petition: "De-funding Abortion Services In Canada", it's been around since April/02 and has a grand total of 2311 signatures. Wow.

    I think it is pretty obvious why abortion is funded in Canada and woe to any government who attempts to meddle with that funding.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 12:04 AM  

  • While the topic of *new leader*

    is national in nature, to a BC based person, it would seem that the comment focus is narrowly based in Otario. In the GTA in fact. Ontario provincial health nuances to be specific?

    Is this a microcosm of the naval focus that seems to irk those in the west? TG

    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 12:17 AM  

  • Joanne when you state "The best thing Mike Harris did was keep his promises." this is not entirely true, what he did well was play the politics much better than Mcguinty has. I remember when Frank Klees told me (my mpp) that Mike Harris would not allow postsecondary students to pay more than 25% of the cost of attending university. When it was all said and done we were paying close to 50% of the costs. Any reasonable person will know that any failure to do as promised by mcguinty was due to the biggest lie ever told- that the budget was balanced. What's even funnier Janet Ecker denied she said this, however the camera never lies, and she repeated this statement a number of times. The actual deficit ended up being 6.2 billion dollars! I always tell conservatives if you look at thier platform under Eves he too would not have been able to keep his promises with a 6.2 billion doller deficit, and THEY WERE THE PARTY IN POWER no less. Who should have known better than anyone. But I guess if you tell yourself long enough there is no deficit, there is no deficit, you start to believe it.

    By Blogger CHRIS, at 1:11 AM  

  • Omar - Thanks for that link. I'll be sure to sign.

    "I think it is pretty obvious why abortion is funded in Canada" - I'll bite. Why?

    Chris - Well, I'll have to go back and study my Ontario history a little more and get back to you. To be honest, I wasn't too interested in provincial politics til recently.

    What I see happening in our area is plants closing, people without doctors, and hospitals in crisis. Not, that isn't all McGuinty's fault, but this sure isn't the land of milk and honey here. Far from it. I know of so many plants closing this summer here, and people are frantic wondering what they're going to do. These are people with kids and mortgages, and they can't find anything better than McJobs. The unions have made it impossible to be competitive in a global economy when the same goods can be produced so much cheaper in Mexico or Romania.

    So, maybe I'm working from a gut feeling here, but I don't see Dalton McGuinty as someone who is trying to address the problem. I don't see him doing much about the native disputes either, except wishing they would solve themselves.

    Sorry about the rant.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 8:59 AM  

  • I used to hate Dalton (especially after the health tax). I liked John Tory as a person. However, recently I have started to warm to Dalton. He broke one promise initially, but then have kept others (1000 more officers, protecting greenbelts, peace with teachers union, and so on).

    Warren Kinsella says it best as to why Dalton will win here.

    Besides, is this the most partisian PM or what. He is making deals with the devil (to paraphrase him) in letting Quebec get a seat in what is a CANADIAN seat (UNICEF). He is misusing the governments posn for partisian needs. If he refuses to meet Ontario's needs (the powerhouse of Canadian economy and centre of the Canadian world, no matter what others think) he is in trouble.

    By Blogger mezba, at 9:14 AM  

  • Mezba, I as an Ontario resident do not feel angry in the least at this apparent "snub" by the PM. Dalton, for his part, has not done much to attempt to forge a healthy relationship between himself and Harper.

    Interesting read by Kinsella. I actually really respect Warren. He and I have even exchanged a few emails. Not sure if I agree with him here, but personality wise, when I look at Dalton, I see a whiney little boy with his nose out of joint because he didn't get what he wanted for Christmas. Just my opinion.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 9:31 AM  

  • How the hell can anyone take these Liberals seriously?

    The MSM says "Budget gives ammo to Liberals"

    Child Molester Billy Graham says "Today, we currently have 102 MPs and 65 senators all mobilized to defend the values that everybody in this room believes in — values that we share with most Ontarians and other Canadians."

    Polls show a 2:1 ratio of support for this budget. I can only assume Billy Graham thinks non-Ontarians aren't really Canadians.

    Every comparison to Mike Harris and Pres Bush these fools (MSM & LPC) put out there alienates themselves further and further from the voting public.

    Tory momentum is growing rapidly and every day (especially in Quebec) and as long as these fools keep telling us we're too god damn stupid to spend our own money they are not going to regain power.

    Face it, you mother fucking Liberals will be sitting in opposition for years to come.

    By Blogger What_The_Puck?, at 12:17 PM  

  • What the puck, too bad you can*t ease off on the flowery language, because I mostly agree with you.

    The flowery part detracts from the weight of what you say.

    We conservatives are usually more diplomatic than that.

    With what *Molester Billy* and the MSM still get away with, it*s no wonder that we resort to a little swearing.

    You know the CBC news had the gall to feature some stupid word pablum that Brison was spouting in Quebec.

    How the hell does that get to be a news item??

    Time to get the liberal suckh.. suckups out of CBC head office. Ooops, I almost did what Pucky did. TG

    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 1:04 PM  

  • Omar - Thanks for that link. I'll be sure to sign.
    "I think it is pretty obvious why abortion is funded in Canada" - I'll bite. Why?


    Uhm, because there are only a paltry 2311 signatures on a petition that has been circulating for 4years? How's that for starters? It's now a whopping 2312 that you've added your voice True Blew. A majority of Canadians agree with a woman's right to choose and to have that right funded. Period.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 2:27 PM  

  • A majority of Canadians agree with a woman's right to choose? I do too - for child care, that is.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 2:49 PM  

  • You would like to dictate the issue though, if you had *emperor Martin* at your disposal. I can tell. TG

    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 3:11 PM  

  • Conservatives should enjoy their stay on the governing side of the House. Even if you do get that majority mandate, it will be less than a half decade. What's the overall historical governing scorecard of this country? Something like Liberals:105 years to Conservatives:40 years? Would ya'll care to spin that particular fact to your favour? It is like some outlandish CFL score.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 3:39 PM  

  • Am I the only one who thinks the Liberal party is on the verge of being a regional party?

    That next election, they could be the fourth place party?

    By Blogger Liberal Fortunes, at 5:20 PM  

  • Omar - typical Liberal arrogance.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 5:31 PM  

  • "But since being sworn in last February, Mr. Harper has shown a profound preference for Quebec and an antipathy toward Ontario and its Liberal Premier that some find borders on disrespect."

    a. antipathy to Ontario? when?

    b. antipathy to McGuinty? when?

    c. "some find it disrespectful"? who?

    Such a bogus line from the Globe. It's manufactured news.

    Harper/McGuinty relations were fine pre-election, as I recall. It's the post-budget jousting, recent Tory fundraiser, and Charest love-in that the Globe is picking up on, which is all of a week old. It's made-up stuff.

    That said, Kinsella is correct when he says it's a free political lunch for McGuinty. There's a reason Klein and Chretien got along well enough: each loved to run against the other.

    By Blogger matt, at 5:55 PM  

  • Joanne, McGuinty has his ups and his downs.

    For example:
    Up: the defecit is almost gone
    Down: the health premium.

    Your opinion is the opinion of many other Ontarians. People are split on McGuinty.

    I do think that Harper's action was wrong. To snub an elected leader of a province is wrong. Did Martin or Chretien refuse to meet with Ralph Klein or Mike Harris and then go and introduce Taft or McGuinty as the next Premier of the province?

    I can see how partisanship is usefull - such as in the House - but some duties of the Prime Minister are not partisan, meeting the Premiers is one of them.

    This whole thing hurts Harper more than helps him.

    By Blogger Zac, at 6:04 PM  

  • Omar - typical Liberal arrogance.

    Joanne, what exactly is so typically arrogant about pointing out that for the vast majority of this countries governing history your party has not been the choice for voters? The Conservative movement has been grossly inferior in winning elections. Is it arrogant to site fact? Puh-leez.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 8:30 PM  

  • Well, Omar, the fact is that this country has never had this particular party in government, so we'll see what happens. You may be surprised.

    Zac, thanks for your comments. I see your point, but I don't see anything wrong with Harper supporting Tory. Suppose that the PQ was in power in Quebec. Would it be o.k. for the P.M. to openly support a different party then, if he thought it might be more in the country's best interests? Just a thought.

    Well, I'm going to leave you Grits to your own devices now. Maybe you'll lure some other unsuspecting Tory into your lair sometime, and then you can have some more fun attacking them. With the exception of Zac and K.O., all is see here is blind partisanship. I'm wasting my time.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 8:47 PM  

  • Well, Omar, the fact is that this country has never had this particular party in government, so we'll see what happens.

    Well, that's for sure. An even further to the right Conservative party. Prediction? One term. Maybe.

    With the exception of Zac and K.O., all is see here is blind partisanship. I'm wasting my time.

    From Joanne's blog May 2/06:

    Yesterday I stumbled across a blatant example of left-wing propaganda in Kitchener's The Record, "Tories march to wrong drum by following U.S. lead"

    Yeah, no blind partisanship here. Buh-bye True Blew.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 9:00 PM  

  • I just don't understand why so many people in Ontario hate Mike Harris. He did exactly as he said he would. Like Ralph Klein you may not have agreed with everything he did but he sure never told us lies. McGuinty has lied bare-faced to Ontarians immediately after he was elected. How can you trust him. Even if you did not agree with Harris he didn't lie. I am an Albertan now but my home province is Ontario and I love it but really you have become too used to dishonest politician. Harper will not lie to you and neither did Harris.

    By Blogger chef, at 9:38 PM  

  • When did Harper promise to sell Highway 407 for a song? When did he promise to fire thousands of nurses, only to have to rehire them when it became obvious that nurses are rather integral to health care? When did Harris promise to "create a crisis" in education? When did he promise to deregulate tuition fees or cut all provincial funding for public transit?

    Should I go on? This notion that Harris "kept his promise" only flies if you ignore all the things he did but never mentioned.

    By Blogger Josh Gould, at 10:03 PM  

  • Did Harper refuse to meet with McGuinty? I understood that he met with McGuinty, didn't say nice (or bad) things about the meeting, praised Charest, and later praised J. Tory. Maybe a bit of a snub - but bearing mind Harper's media skills are lacking, nothing worth this fuss.

    By Blogger matt, at 11:53 PM  

  • LiberalFortunes,

    You are not the only one. Do you think the Greens will surge and become the splinter vote foil for the National Dipstick Party?

    Hope I didn*t offend there. TG

    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 1:03 AM  

  • And that's why abortions are funded?

    Abortions are not a predictable expense. No matter how comforting the "on demand" line may be to your worldview, getting an abortion is rather harder and less pleasant than getting a double-double at Tim's.

    You are a conservative, so surely you would agree that things in life need to be planned and considered. One should conceive when one has made appropriate financial plans and decided to have children and not a moment sooner -- anything else is bad for the future kids, bad for the mother, and bad for everyone else. It's common sense that most unplanned, accidental pregnancies should be terminated and delayed until later.

    By Blogger LeoPetr, at 1:52 AM  

  • Ah, I just can't stay away...

    Omar - We will have to agree to disagree. Frank Etherington is a left-wing propagandist's dream. I was holding myself back when I said that.

    And BTW, thanks for dropping by. ;)

    Leopetr - "Abortions are not a predictable expense."

    I think I can predict how to avoid needing one.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 6:40 AM  

  • It's common sense that most unplanned, accidental pregnancies should be terminated and delayed until later."

    How do you reckon it is "common sense" that people shouldn't have to be held accountable and responsible for their actions? Moreover, it's highly contradictory to say that pregnancies should be both "terminated" and "delayed." The latter simply is not a option and can't be done once the former occurs. You can't tell the fetus to hold off for a few extra months, and you certainly can't do that after you've killed it.

    By Blogger RGM, at 8:43 AM  

  • You can't tell the fetus to hold off for a few extra months, and you certainly can't do that after you've killed it.

    Abortion is not murder. That induced abortion is indeed legal, makes that clear. Abortion is not pleasant, but it is life.

    A total of 103,768 abortions were performed in 2003, down 1% from 105,154 in 2002. The abortion rate edged down from 15.4 abortions per 1,000 women in 2002 to 15.2 in 2003.

    It goes without saying that conservative minded folks who believe that one abortion is too many will find these numbers horrendous. Personally, I look upon these stats as being rather insignificant when placed along side our Canadian population of 33million.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 9:16 AM  

  • Omar, I wonder if you would still say that if you were one of those "insignificant" statistics?

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 9:26 AM  

  • Omar, I wonder if you would still say that if you were one of those "insignificant" statistics


    It's rather a moot point isn't it?
    If I were, I wouldn't be here.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 9:50 AM  

  • Exactly my point.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 9:58 AM  

  • Not being here doesn't exactly bother me Joanne. So for me personally, the point remains moot.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 10:00 AM  

  • Wow! Omar, I feel sorry for you.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 10:34 AM  

  • Gee, thanks....

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 10:43 AM  

  • Yeah, I really do, Omar. That's incredibly disturbing to me to hear someone say they don't care if they're alive or not. There must be a reason for you to feel like that. Don't give up, whatever it is. You wouldn't believe what kind of joy there is to experience in life. I wake up every morning excited with all the possiblities.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 11:16 AM  

  • That's incredibly disturbing to me to hear someone say they don't care if they're alive or not. There must be a reason for you to feel like that.

    Joanne, you are reading way too much into my comment. If I'd been aborted in 1963(likely a much more grim procedure than the one Freddie Fetus has the good fortune of experiencing today) I simply would not be here. Period. I am an atheist. Plain and simple. An External Deity and it's grand scheming play no part whatsoever in my daily existence. I feel sorry for people where it does.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 11:40 AM  

  • "Abortion is not pleasant, but it is life."

    Were you trying to be ironic there? Because if so, good job. Abortion is not "life," it is a pre-emptive strike on it.

    By Blogger RGM, at 12:30 PM  

  • I was not aborted, yet I feel very much *not all here*.

    Aaah, no coffee yet. TG

    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 12:39 PM  

  • Omar - "I am an atheist... An External Deity and it's grand scheming play no part whatsoever in my daily existence."

    So, what is the purpose of your existence, as you see it?

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 12:46 PM  

  • Abortion is not "life," it is a pre-emptive strike on it.

    It's a part of life. If you wish to call it preemptive, then fine, I don't have any difficulties with that.

    So, what is the purpose of your existence, as you see it

    You know, pay the bills, be a good person, be aware, destroy organized religion, normal stuff.

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 12:59 PM  

  • So Omar isn't going to worry until the Tories approach their 50th straight year in power.

    Carry on...

    By Blogger anonymous, at 1:19 PM  

  • Now that the BlocOntario leadership campaign has imploded to Ontario navel gazing... any concerns about an Ontario MPP drawing pay while moving to Quebec?

    By Blogger anonymous, at 1:24 PM  

  • Omar - Funny.

    Why bother being a good person though?

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 3:05 PM  

  • Omar-Why bother being a good person though?

    Wha?

    By Blogger Lord Omar, at 3:12 PM  

  • Joanne, Plato talked about the erotic quality of justice and being just. One does not need to externally justify ones actions, as we have internal drives.

    The quagmire of the debate you are having is systematic of why the religous right has never gained traction in this country.

    In the world you suppose there are no natural rights, just rights given to you by a sovereign, and therefor your sovereign has the ability to take that right away. The right in this case is the ability to control ones own body.

    The other side is that in the state of nature we are all protected by our own natural rights, and when society is formed it is a social contract which one trades rights, to protect them at lower costs to the individual. However, this contract is null and void if one violates your natural rights, as if it obviously not working to protect your rights.

    Joanne, do you believe in the right of revolution from an unjust soveriegn authority? Or do you believe the sovereign is absolute, and there should be no right to revolution from unjust authority?

    By Blogger Lookout Mountain, at 3:24 PM  

  • Anyone know what happened at LPCO I didnt make it till Saturday

    By Blogger Davenport Liberal, at 3:36 PM  

  • K.O. I don't buy into your premise:

    "In the world you suppose there are no natural rights, just rights given to you by a sovereign, and therefor your sovereign has the ability to take that right away. The right in this case is the ability to control ones own body."

    If that is true, then why is it illegal to commit suicide? i.e. attempted suicide will be stopped by the state.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 3:37 PM  

  • Joanne: To quote yourself quoting myself

    "K.O. I don't buy into your premise:

    "In the world you suppose there are no natural rights, just rights given to you by a sovereign, and therefor your sovereign has the ability to take that right away. The right in this case is the ability to control ones own body."

    If that is true, then why is it illegal to commit suicide? i.e. attempted suicide will be stopped by the state."

    Your refutation is in fact a confirmation. The sovereign in your view has the right to stop people from committing suicide. This is removing a right from people.

    By Blogger Lookout Mountain, at 3:44 PM  

  • K O: That is not my world view, that is reality as it is right now. How does it differ from a woman's so-called right to control her own body? I'm not saying I believe one thing or another. I'm saying how is it that both things exist in a society and they are incongruent?

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 3:46 PM  

  • Joanne, the only mention in the criminal code about suicide is as follows:

    Suicide

    Counselling or aiding suicide


    241. Every one who

    (a) counsels a person to commit suicide, or

    (b) aids or abets a person to commit suicide,

    whether suicide ensues or not, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding fourteen years.

    R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 241; R.S., 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 7.
    http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-46/267361.html
    http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/c-46/

    Attempted suicide is not illegal in Canada.

    By Blogger Lookout Mountain, at 4:50 PM  

  • K O - Well, thank you. I stand corrected on that.

    So a person has the right to do anything they want to their body, and the state has to deal with whatever harm they cause themselves, and everyone else in the state has to pay for it, right?

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 8:55 PM  

  • Chris,

    Did you ever think that the reason why the economy is doing so well is because Dalton McGuinty left Mike Harris' policies in place??

    Please. It's the same thing Chretien did, come in and ride the gravy train.

    By Blogger Dark Blue Tory, at 9:05 PM  

  • k o - What about the unborn baby's right to his own body?

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 10:19 PM  

  • Joanne, fetuses which cannot survive on their own (as in breathe, and such) in the state of nature cannot survive, and are therefor not given any natural rights.

    When babies are born they have rights. they consequently enter the social contract through tacit consent

    By Blogger Lookout Mountain, at 11:31 PM  

  • ko - "fetuses which cannot survive on their own (as in breathe, and such) in the state of nature cannot survive, and are therefor not given any natural rights."

    Babies aborted moments before birth can certainly breath on their own.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 6:20 AM  

  • (If given the chance)

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 6:24 AM  

  • I would believe almost no babies are aborted at that late a stage, except when the mothers health is in danger. Just because there is no law against it doesn't mean it will happen.

    By Blogger Lookout Mountain, at 1:00 PM  

  • Then why don't we just have a law for that, as long as the mother's health is not in jeopardy?

    BTW, I could get some horror stories for you about abortions that went wrong, and the baby was left to die on the delivery table without any medical intervention.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 2:49 PM  

  • KO - BTW, I have carried this discussion over to my blog. Feel free to shoot a few darts there.

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 2:53 PM  

  • Funny nobody mentioned how McGuinty endorsed (and campaigned) Paul Martin in public during this past election....

    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/
    story/CTVNews/20060117/mcguinty_martin
    _060118?s_name=election2006&no_ads=

    By Blogger Cool Blue, at 3:06 PM  

  • Blue: there's a difference between supporting a candidate during an election, and when you're a year away from one.

    Reading abortion debates on Canadian blogs is a rather odd experience, by the way. It seems so much more...settled... in Canada than in the United States.

    Chef: Harris is criticized for suffering from what Colbert described as "having the same opinion on Wednesday that he did on Monday, no matter what happened on Tuesday". Consistency in the face of overwhelming contradictory evidence is not a virtue, as Americans have learned to their sorrow.

    By Blogger Demosthenes, at 1:13 PM  

  • Joanne, your crazy.

    By Blogger sandy, at 10:53 PM  

  • Joanne (True Blue) said...
    k o - What about the unborn baby's right to his own body?

    Joanne, your anti-choice rederick is lame. I'm so sick of the right babling on about this "you make your bed and lay in it" crap. I'm one of those women who layed right down in my bed as a single mother (because %87.4 of us are women) and tried to raise a child on the pitiful scraps the Harris government allowed us. You want to control my body, tell me when to have children, and then demonize me as a welfare mother for sucking the system dry. Your self-righteousness is tacky.

    By Blogger sandy, at 11:13 PM  

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