Friday, April 28, 2006

The Big Ten

With Ken Dryden's announcement, we now have the group of ten who will form the main contenders in the Liberal leadership race (baring surprises...c'mon Hedy!).

Campbell Clark had a good run down of the candidates here. And, despite claims that the "big names" didn't want to run, there really is something for everyone in this field. There's no dauphin in this race and anyone who tells you they know who will win this thing is full of themselves (that's your cue Toronto Liberal!). Instead, we have ten candidates from incredibly diverse backgrounds, with very different positives and negatives. A lot of them are unknown and, looking back at my leadership speculation from last summer, it's pretty obvious that few of them were on my, or anybody else's, radar screen a few months ago.

So let the race begin! While it's far too early to judge how the candidates are faring, this would be my assessment of first ballot support at this point:

1. Michael Ignatieff
2. Gerard Kennedy
3. Bob Rae
4. Stephane Dion
5. Joe Volpe
6. Scott Brison
7. Ken Dryden
8. Maurizio Bevilacqua
9. Martha Hall Findlay
10. Carolyn Bennett

But a lot can change between now and December. Should be fun.


Update: Ken Dryden gets on HNiC tonight, thereby giving him an infinitely larger audience for his launch than all the other nine put together.

71 Comments:

  • Using a mix of powerful black magic and voodoo, I'm sure Joe Volpe will win on the first ballot.

    Right?

    By Anonymous Manitoba Liberal, at 5:13 PM  

  • 10 candidates, and how many from the GTA? 8! How many are men? 8! How many are white (including Italian)? 8!

    Has the Liberal Party of Canada retreated completely into its GTA stronghold? Where is the representation of the West? or even Atlantic Canada? And what about women and the exploding immigrant communities?

    You know, if the CPC was holding a race in which 8/10 leadership contenders where white males, there would definitely be a lot of criticism of this lack of representative diversity. Now I am the first to put value on merit, not race/gender/language, but it does strike me as typically hypocritical that the Lib party doesn't get criticized for this any more than the CPC gets credit for having a gender, ethnic and language diversity not found in any other caucus.

    By Blogger Hasty, at 5:21 PM  

  • oops, when I said how many are white? The correct answer isn't 8... it's 10!

    By Blogger Hasty, at 5:23 PM  

  • Italians are not white!

    If you claim the WOPS are white, the next thing you are going to be saying is that the Irish get to count as white men too!


    I'm taking a stand and ending this extremism right now!

    By Anonymous 19th Century Liberal, at 5:27 PM  

  • 19th century liberal,

    'bout time someone took a stand against neo-liberalism.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:30 PM  

  • Hasty's right ~ how dare the Liberal Party not champion the right of a woman's place in the kitchen, to bake bread and stuff. Oh, we Conservasaurus' don't mind mixing them in the business world as long as they've got bigger balls then the men. Our party is as diversified as they come, because after all, we all look the same under a white sheet!
    What an imbecile!

    By Anonymous pasty, at 5:36 PM  

  • CG,

    As for your increadibly diverse crew fighting to lead the BlocOntario, you seem to have picked Ignatieff, Kennedy, Rae, and Dion as the finalists.

    Do you think any of the others has a serious shot at it?

    By Anonymous yyc, at 5:37 PM  

  • At last the LPC has been exposed!!! Suggested rename..The Greater Toronto Area Party...yea G-TAP. It has a kind of hip ring to it, you know sort of cool in a snoop dog sort of way. That should help to get out the suburban/rural support. BTW I hear Snoop and the boys are available for the convention, (provided G-TAP posts their bail but given the problems faced by recent LPC members navigating the criminal justice system should be a breeze) just keep them away from the whiskey in the duty free shop or we may have the horrible prospect of Ken Dryden doing karaoke to entertain the conventioneers.

    Syncro

    By Blogger syncrodox, at 5:53 PM  

  • Bob Rae is Jewish, if that helps the diversity any.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:13 PM  

  • Hasty and how many of your parties leaders have been from Alberta?

    ummm yah.... all 3 of them.

    Come back when Reform has a non-albertian leader.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:17 PM  

  • OT but Huge:

    The Liberals in the softwood deal last year, were hoping for the return of 3.5 Billion.

    Half a billion less than Harper got.

    So much for the Liberal "CPC Sold out" meme, huh?

    Link:

    http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051118/martin_bush_protectionism_051118/20051118

    By Anonymous biff, at 6:19 PM  

  • link here:

    http://tinyurl.com/mke9h

    By Anonymous biff, at 6:24 PM  

  • I think Dryden might have the ability to sneak up if things break well for him. Along with the top 4 I listed, I don't really see anyone else with a chance to win (maybe Brison, but the e-mail sure hurt him...).

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 6:46 PM  

  • Anonymous,
    My party's only ever had one leader, and yes he's from Calgary (but I don't hold that against him).

    Of the legacy parties' leaders, 50% of them were from Nova Scotia!

    Looking at the last handfull of leaders in the legacy parties, we have:
    BC = 1 (she was also a woman, thats gotta be worth some bonus points)

    Alberta = 4

    Quebec = 2

    Nova Scotia = 1

    That's a lot more representative than the Liberals, who have had:
    BC = 1
    Quebec = 3

    By Blogger Hasty, at 6:46 PM  

  • Why is MHF ahead of Bennett?

    By Anonymous Political Geek, at 7:06 PM  

  • CG, you're not normally known for spin, but I wonder if you're practicing it here (not an accusation, just a question).

    Harper's team floated the rumour Day was in the lead during the CPC leadership, to stampede delegates to Harper.

    Does the perception Ignatieff is the front-runner not help Kennedy and perhaps Dion? Like Day, Ignatieff does to a degree have a polarizing effect on possible supporters, not to mention past views that might appear controversial to the mainstream. If delegates fear this, Kennedy is the man to stop him.

    Is Ignatieff the Liberal Stockwell Day?

    By Blogger Simon Pole, at 7:24 PM  

  • 1. Michael Ignatieff-Jack Layton's dream candidate.
    2. Gerard Kennedy-Seems like an exciting guy to the kind of young Canadians who read Hansard.
    3. Bob Rae-Stephen Harper's dream candidate.
    4. Stephane Dion-Best man for the job. Won't win.
    5. Joe Volpe-Well someone had to represent the allophones.
    6. Scott Brison-About to find out how low his standing in the Libreal party really is.
    7. Ken Dryden-Coasting on nostalgia and minor celebrity.
    8. Maurizio Bevilacqua-Frank McKenna couldn't make it,so...
    9. Martha Hall Findlay-Thank you for running.
    10. Carolyn Bennett-Finally,a candidate to represent the long ignored upper middle class of Toronto.

    By Anonymous Nuna D. Above, at 7:53 PM  

  • The Bloc Torrana ?? The rest of Canada will pass on this list of wannbe's & has beens.

    Just like the Leafs, nice team but complete losers.

    tine for some reality and this bunch won't deliver

    By Anonymous FRed, at 8:38 PM  

  • Ha ha.. Dryden's getting free publicity on his leadership run with Ron Maclean on HNIC.

    Not that I'm a Dryden supporter.. I just find it funny he's getting free publicity under the guise of having him on a Montreal game.

    By Blogger Scott Tribe, at 8:54 PM  

  • CG,

    While I'm confidant that the Hon. Joe Volpe is well on his way to becoming the Rt. Hon Joe Volpe, I've never said it was a gurantee, I just said that Western pricks like you and your online groupies should stop taking cheap shots at Mr. Volpe becasue he is going to do very, very well in this leadership race and surprise all the fake "liberals" out in the hinterlands that write him off as a fringe candidate.


    And to all the haters that are bitching about all the candidates from the greater Toronto area, I have news for you all: The Liberal Parties Core is in and around Toronto. It's not Calgary, It's not Vancouver, It's not Winnipeg or Halifax or other minor cities, the Libreal Party has it's core of support right in the heart of Ontario where the vast majority of Canadians live.

    Nothing was stoping some Albertian or Manitoban from running, but they knew that that all the Liberal members that actually vote for the leader live right here in Toronto.

    By Anonymous Toronto Liberal, at 9:05 PM  

  • Toronto Liberal:

    In light of your well thought out and articulate post I withdraw my previous suggestion and propose a new name for your "national" party.

    How about the G-TAR Party. I bet you can guess what the R stands for. Being on the outside sucks eh?

    Syncro

    By Blogger syncrodox, at 9:19 PM  

  • Simon Pole; I don't think it's spin to say Ignatieff is the front-runner.

    In fact, I think it would be very difficult to find any single blog, media source, or individual out there who would pick anyone else as the "leader" at this point.

    Obviously he's nowhere even remotely close to a first ballot win, but I think it's a pretty fair analysis to put Iggy in first at this point.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 9:47 PM  

  • Brison is going to win!


    He has the super genuis talent of Richard Diamond behind him.


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    By Blogger Diamond Fan, at 9:54 PM  

  • April 28 Forecast: Kennedy will be lucky if he is in the top 5.

    While other Trent University hockey players went on to get a degree after the hockey program was scrapped Kennedy did not.

    Dryden got a degree after his hockey days but Kennedy did not.

    Go Ken. Go Ken.

    By Anonymous Sandra, at 9:59 PM  

  • Hedy is supporting Iggy.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:50 PM  

  • Ken Dryden was a goalie and an excellent one at that and pucks were bouncing off him like bullets off Superman and he stood tall. He stood in his crease and stood his ground but that’s it. What we need is a playmaker a forward player a guy like Gerard Kennedy. He knows how to handle the puck, how to make plays and how to skate through defence and score goals. He can check, he can fight and go in corners and dig the puck. Now with GK as PM and KD as DPM what a team, what a one-two punch for the Liberals, Conservatives better get their PMH with his hockey book to sharpen his skates because we’ll show him whose master in the House.
    GO GK GO! GO GK GO! GO GK GO!

    By Anonymous Marcel, at 11:09 PM  

  • Sandra,

    Only one word to describe your presence on the blog:

    pathetic.

    You are dreaming if you think Dryden will finish ahead of Kennedy. Your candidate has been in politics for only 3 years and other than being one of many that worked on a childcare agreement, what has he done????

    Smearing is not going to help your candidate for a 2nd ballot.

    By Anonymous cs, at 11:13 PM  

  • Has the Liberal Party of Canada retreated completely into its GTA stronghold? Where is the representation of the West? or even Atlantic Canada? And what about women and the exploding immigrant communities?

    As one of Scott Brison's constituents, I can assure you that my riding is located in Atlantic Canada. I suppose, if we really need the West to be represented, Hedy Fry could be enlisted.

    In any case, I don't see the Toronto-weighted race to be much of a problem. With a delegated convention, candidates will have to win support around the country, and without the possibility of signing up lots of instant members... which in fact bodes quite well for this being a strong democratic process.

    I'll toss out some predictions:

    1) Rae won't win. He has way too much baggage, and many long-time Liberals (e.g., David Peterson) will oppose him vehemently, such that I can easily imagine an anti-Rae ticket forming after the first ballot. (Of course, if he did win, I can just imagine the headlines: "Liberals make it a Rae Day.")

    2) Kennedy won't win. His lack of a completed degree is a problem, regardless of the merit of running the Daily Bread. I also don't think he is sufficiently experienced or well-known in the party, though it's possible he could emerge as a dark horse or kingmaker.

    3) Brison doesn't have a chance in hell. Income trust anyone? He's a pleasant enough guy, but he's a lightweight in the grand scheme of things and not leadership material. Perhaps with more experience he will be. His rather recent Liberal affiliation is something of an issue too (which is to say, potentially a big one).

    4) The winner will be one of Ignatieff, Dion, or Dryden, though I'd lean to one of the first two. It's not really possible to say which will emerge triumphant, since we really don't have a good idea of what will happen for them on second and subsequent ballots. And, of course, Volpe, Findlay, Bennett, and Bevilacqua lack national profiles, and probably won't be able to develop them either. Assuming they remain in the race to the end, they're supporters could be valuable to other candidates.

    By Blogger Josh Gould, at 11:21 PM  

  • I read today that John McCallum is thinking of running.

    He'd be a pretty good candidate and would finish in the top three in my opinion. He's from Montreal and speaks French well.

    I still think Kennedy's lack of an education will hurt if he ever becomes a serious candidate beyond the confines of the Liberal groupies.

    By Anonymous Two Cents, at 11:37 PM  

  • What distinguishes Bob Rae is that he is a politician. He knows how to campaign and how to give a speech people will listen to. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't (i.e. Iggy, Kennedy, and Dryden). The baggage of the others is yet to come, and that will cause more problems than Rae's baggage, which is in the past.

    As for Dion, if he was a politician he would have found a way to manage the Quebec file without alienating that province. But that is what academics do... make the right policy decision while having a tin ear for how it sells.

    Rae is in many ways more pragmatic than Kennedy, which makes Kennedy a better fit amongst the NDP ideologues than Rae. This is a bigger issue than the fact Kennedy is 3 courses short of his U of Alberta Canadian Studies degree. He could probably pick it up during summer school if he was willing to attend classes in Edmonton for two months full time.

    Rae has the intelligence of an Ignatieff but is a proven pol. Ignatieff will be a non-starter with left-leaning voters and is a risky unknown for right-leaning voters.

    That said, CG is right that Iggy is the front runner, and I say that based on Chantal Hebert's column on Quebec, which has Iggy as a strong player there.

    - Scarborough Liberal

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:53 PM  

  • John Major was prime minister of Britain for 7 years and did not have one year of university education. Kennedy has four years of university education and everyone knows hundreds of thousands of Canadians in Edmonton and Toronto are grateful that he chose leading food banks instead of parking letters behind his name.

    Oh, wait I forgot about the pathetic smear workers who are so worried about Kennedy that they come on to the blogs thinking they have a susbstantial issue that will sway Liberal voters.

    Sorry, the real big issues will prevail and that is who has a favourable political record and political experience, who has little controversy, who is tied to the past in the party feuds, who has been actually living and contributing to Canada in recent years and who is a fresh face for a new start for the Party.

    By Anonymous gimme a break, at 12:10 AM  

  • CS,

    Please do not dismiss Ken's remarkable achievements:

    As a six time Stanley Cup winning goaltender he learned the value of hard work, the team ethic and how effective people can be when they know there’s a reliable safety net backing them up.

    As a member of Team Canada in 1972, Ken learned how much Canadians feel towards those who represent them.

    As a law student engaged in a full time professional hockey career, Ken continued to develop his hard work ethic, his commitment to learning and his ability to balance competing priorities.

    As a writer, Ken has taken the time to explore our Canadian characteristics, examined the life of an “average” Canadian and observed how children learn in class – not just skills, but to appreciate tolerance and differences too.

    As a community leader, Ken learned from the remarkable example set by his parents and has worked with dozens of charitable causes over the years and most notably helped found “Martin’s Hope,” aided “Go kids Go!” with the Toronto Maple Leafs and founded the Ken Dryden Scholarships.

    As a father and husband Ken knows first hand what’s really most important in the lives of Canadians – family.

    As a politician, Ken led the creation of Canada’s first national system of early learning and child care and was honoured to work on behalf of all Canadians as a Cabinet Member.

    Very well written. All from his website.

    Ken's common folk talk and demeanor reminds me of another great Liberal prime minister who won three majorities in a row.

    By Anonymous MississaugaPeter, at 12:32 AM  

  • I think there will be some serious discussions directed at the Mother Corp for getting mixed up in the LPC leadership race. Leno's hosting of der Governator's announcement was at least acknowledged, for a friend, and aligned with the show. Oh, and a private company.

    A state broadcaster bringing a candidate onto a playoff sports show for no apparent reason except political support... TOTAL BS. It shouldn't just be us ravening right wing hordes seeing something highly improper in this misuse of a broadcast. It would be questionable but allowable for someone like CTV to do it, but these guys seem to be trying to pick someone who would have a good chance of being their ultimate boss.

    By Anonymous hey, at 12:57 AM  

  • A couple of things -

    I suspect that speculation about the "front runners" will run aground on the realities of the sales race. The race will be largely decided, and possibly be over, by the end of June, when the membership sales are ended. Two months from now. To have credibility a campaign should come up with a few hundred memberships per riding. If you get, say, 300 members per riding that means almost a hundred thousand memberships over less than nine weeks, 62 days, which is over 1600 memberships a day. Some of the candidates (Volpe and Bevilaqua and Ignatieff, in particular) have been organizing and selling for months or even years now. Selling memberships is not easy.

    Alas - the sad fact that Toronto white males dominate the race is really a coincidence, but anyone can join the race. But women, non-whites, and so on have to want to join. You can't force a candidate. I don't know why we don't have a lot more diversity in the race, but people have been arguing about this for decades now, and nobody seems to have any bright ideas.

    People going on about GK's lack of a degree are perhaps giving more importance to a degree than it warrants. (perhaps paying for your kids' tuition, straining to tell yourself it's all worth it as they spend 4 years stoned in raves?) At a certain point he felt a sense of mission, he saw something that had to be done and he thought he could do something about it. To his credit he stopped what he was doing and went out and did it. I think that is commendable, and if the whole race hinges on him being two courses short of a BA, I think that is a bit too shallow. We have seen university grads that can talk and talk and talk, but seem to be incapable of action or sound judgement.

    Likewise criticism that focuses on other superficialities. Ken Dryden being a goalie is not a reason to dismiss him as a serious politician; I care more about what he stands for and what he hopes to accomplish in the office, and what his life has been about before politics.

    On the other hand, those who are said to have experience on their side because they have been a career politician, without any other life experience or accomplishment, may not necessarily be the best choice just because they've been drawing a paycheck as an MP for their whole working life. I don't support him as it happens; but people like Ignatieff are certainly impressive for the fact that they've had a rich life outside of politics, and can bring some of that experience and accomplishment to the table.

    By Anonymous Ian MacMillan, at 7:43 AM  

  • Why does every blogger insist on omitting Ashley MacIsaac from their list of candidates?

    By Blogger Mike P., at 8:52 AM  

  • To the blogger ripping the Liberals for having 10 candidates, only 2 women, and all of them being white...

    I seem to recall the Conservative leadership race had _3_ candidates, all of whom were white, so what's your point?

    You don't have to be a person of colour or a woman to be tolerant - regardless of political affiliation.

    By Blogger Shawn, at 9:19 AM  

  • Ugh, the GTA comments are tiresome. Kennedy was born in the West, went to school in the West and worked in the West before moving to Ontario. So now he's a Toronto boy?

    Stephane Dion and Scott Brison, two more Toronto boys!

    Seriously though, this is a diverse country - and a huge number of people who live in Toronto are from other part's of the country.

    Hey, did you know Stephen Harper is a Toronto boy?

    By Blogger Shawn, at 9:24 AM  

  • The Conservatives could have used some non-whites, yes. So can the Liberals, now. I'd sure like to see a native lead one of our parties, one day. Hopefully in our lifetimes.

    By Blogger Lois, at 9:29 AM  

  • "When the conversation switched to French as a kind of test, Mr. Kennedy flunked. He's got some vocabulary, grammar, syntax and sense of the language, but he's hard to understand and certainly a long, long way from reasonable fluency. Unilingual English-speaking journalists might fall for the impression that Mr. Kennedy is bilingual. He is not."

    Jeffery Simpson in the Globe and Mail on Kennedy. The article is quite negative on Kennedy in general.

    By Anonymous Nuna D. Above, at 11:53 AM  

  • Josh Gould has it right.

    Everybody will melt away except for Iggy, Dryden, and Dion. This is very bad. Regardless which one of these three wins, the old Liberal baggage that none of them carries on purpose, will end up squarely on their backs. The Liberals will not be able to shake the "eastern blueblood" label.

    The best thing that could happen is if Findlay or somebody off the radar screen can shake things up. This party needs some wilderness time... desperately.

    Did you see Graham in the house of Thursday? Never been uglier. This party needs an identify, some of their OWN issues, and a leader.

    Tom

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:53 AM  

  • Jeffrey Simpson on Kennedy in the Saturday Globe and Mail said the following:

    "Mr. Kennedy stopped by The Globe's offices this week, and one thing was immediately clarified. His official biography says correctly he was educated at Trent University and the University of Alberta; he graduated from neither. He does not have a university degree, which is not the end of the world but looks rather odd in a contest against candidates with imposing academic firepower."

    It does look odd indeed.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:17 PM  

  • Nice try dissing me cs but your candidate is sorely deficient.

    Kennedy: According to Scarborough Liberal is 3 courses short. Has he never heard of night school or summer classes or correspondence? 13 plus years in food banks and no time to finish 3 courses? 7 plus years in opposition and no time to walk 50 metres (from Queens Park) over to the University of Toronto?

    Kennedy talks "International Canada". Anyone with half a brain knows that that would require people focused on postsecondary educations. Kennedy is not that.

    Why did he drop out of Trent University to go to University of Alberta? Not because he values a university degree but because he wanted to play hockey.

    Dryden: Wikopedia sums his commitment to university "Dryden was drafted fourteenth overall by the Boston Bruins in the 1964 NHL Amateur Draft. Rather than play in Boston, Dryden pursued a Bachelor of Arts degree at Cornell University, where he also played hockey until his graduation in 1969" and "Dryden played from 1971 to 1979 (excluding the 1973-74 NHL season, when he retired to pursue the requirements for his law degree at McGill University)".

    Dryden over Kennedy in December.

    By Anonymous Sandra, at 12:26 PM  

  • and the exploding immigrant communities?

    Volpe and Bevilacqua are both immigrants.

    I don't really care where a candidate is from, as long as they are qualified.

    By Blogger IslandLiberal, at 3:15 PM  

  • I need a second confirmation before it becomes a fact. Did Kennedy take one year off to play junior hockey in Alberta after getting cut off the University of Alberta hockey team?

    Send email to KennedyFacts@hotmail.com

    Sandra (now KennedyFacts)

    By Blogger KennedyFacts, at 3:30 PM  

  • Sandra's presence and comments on this blog are not pathetic, CS.
    She has a right to her opinion. I would rather she discuss her real concerns with Mr. Kennedy and that is his inablity to deliver to autistic parents, individual behavioural conditioning for their school aged children, as her daughter is autistic.

    I would encourage Sandra to discuss this issue from the perspective of what the Federal Liberals in government or opposition can do for autistic children and their families across the country. This could be adressed under the Canada health act, or a daycare agreement, which could also provide relief to parents of autistic children.

    An education minister cannot necesarily do eveything someone else promised in a campaign. Mr Kennedy or other leadership candidates might be interested in your input and welcome your idea, if you actually state your real concerns about Mr. Kennedy and the care and education of your child, rather than use the smokescreen of three courses short of a degree.

    This doesn't put forward your real concerns, about education, health care and child care and eventually ,one assumes, care and quality of life for developmentally challenged adults, which should be welcomed in this leadership race by everyone.

    By Blogger s.b., at 3:34 PM  

  • Are any of you Grits bothered by how Ken Dryden is using his hockey fame to campaign for leadership? Shouldn't all the candidates get equal time on HNIC?

    By Blogger Joanne (True Blue), at 3:51 PM  

  • Synchro, 7:19pm

    The new G-Tar party. Excellent! That would give me a leg up.

    I'd be a shoo-in. Until I made my first big political guffaw, then it would be a shoo-out. TG

    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 4:35 PM  

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    Ok, Interpol… go get *em. You know where they hang out.

    TG

    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 4:38 PM  

  • CG, did you really have to turn off the anonymous comments.
    I am a little surprised I thought some of the comments were hilarious. I did not think it was getting really bad, oh well

    Dryden: Do not underestimate this guy. He is arguably one of the most accomplished Canadians there is. Succesfull at teh highest levels of Sport, Arts, Business, Law and politics. Whatever he has tried to do he has done and been steller at it. Perhaps it is to early to say that about politics but he made cabinet already which is more then most.
    This guy is truly a great Canadian.
    The worst attack or smear on him is that he is dull as dishwater, that can be fixed.
    What impresses me is he is also humble.
    Dryden is certainly in my top 3.
    Iggy
    Dion
    Dryden

    By Blogger Aristo, at 6:19 PM  

  • IS this working or what?
    I will be sad to see the end of the anonymous comments

    By Blogger Aristo, at 6:29 PM  

  • I have a question and I hope someone has the answer.
    What are the regulations pertaining to amounts transfered between political parties?
    I know provincial parties can and do transfer monies to federal parties and vice versa.
    This obviously has to do with Harper raising money for a provincial conservative party from businesses. My understanding is there are no effective limits on such transfers. So if Harper is down east raising money from busineses what is stop the provincials from transfering it back to the feds?

    By Blogger Aristo, at 7:54 PM  

  • I've axed anonymous comments for the time being - they were getting a bit tiring...

    Maybe in a week or so, I'll give them another go.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 9:31 PM  

  • KENNEDY: NO DEGREE, NOT BILINGUAL

    Jeffrey Simpson wrote in the G&M yesterday:

    "Mr. Kennedy stopped by The Globe's offices this week, and one thing was immediately clarified. His official biography says correctly he was educated at Trent University and the University of Alberta; he graduated from neither. He does not have a university degree, which is not the end of the world but looks rather odd in a contest against candidates with imposing academic firepower.

    When the conversation switched to French as a kind of test, Mr. Kennedy flunked. He's got some vocabulary, grammar, syntax and sense of the language, but he's hard to understand and certainly a long, long way from reasonable fluency. Unilingual English-speaking journalists might fall for the impression that Mr. Kennedy is bilingual. He is not."

    Faithful readers of this blog should be able to spot at least one other glaring overstatement (error) at gerardkennedy.ca

    Sandra (KennedyFacts@hotmail.com)

    By Blogger KennedyFacts, at 10:18 AM  

  • Sandra,

    You seem like a very angry person and chasing down Mr. Kennedy with lies about him is not in the spirit of the Liberal Party whatsoever.

    You either have a single issue that you want highlighted or you are attacking Mr. Kennedy because you are a smear worker. Now, whatever your purpose was you are just the latter because your approach has ruined whatever your goal you were trying to achieve.

    I see that you are a Dryden supporter so really, you are giving the Dryden camp a very bad name and I will forward all of your postings to them. I hardly think they approve of your behaviour.


    Speading lies about Mr. Kennedy will not help Mr. Dryden on the 2nd ballot. No candidate will win on the first ballot, so I think you may want to try being respectful unless you really want Mr. Dryden to do poorly.

    Now for the real facts:

    Mr. Kennedy has never stated that he was bilingual, never. However, the truth is that he is quite functional in French and improving constantly. His wife and children are bilingual and they will be living in Quebec for part of the summer. Mr. Kennedy has enough proficiency in French that it will not take a long period of time until he is bilingual. This does distinguish Mr. Kennedy from a few candidates that are beginners in French, such as your candidate.

    Mr. Kennedy has never stated he had a university degree. He did attend university for 4 years before he accepted a job offering to run the Edmonton Food Bank. He assisted hundreds of thousands of Canadians by making this choice. Letters behind your name do not qualify you to be a politician or prime minister. John Major was prime minister of Britain for 7 years without one year of university education. Liberals can judge for themselves if they feel this is an issue for them.

    I would like to propose to you Sandra, that if you feel you want a particular issue addressed, send it to Mr. Kennedy and the other candidates and see what kind of response you will get. Now, that Mr. Kennedy is free to put forth his own ideas and policies, perhaps you will can positively influence the issue you want addressed.

    If you choose to not do the above and continue on a smear mission of Mr. Kennedy or any of the other candidates, no one is going to take your postings seriously.


    I know Mr. Kennedy personally, he is a very accomplished politician, a genuine individual who wants to truly help renewal in the Liberal Party. He would make a great leader for the Party.

    By Blogger The Real Kennedy Facts, at 4:33 PM  

  • Real Kennedy Facts,

    I don't believe the Dryden team has the right to approve or disapprove of Sandra's comments.

    Nor does it matter whether or not she is angry. Lots of people are angry when they vote.

    Telling someone they need to be quiet about how they feel because of a second ballot vote is also crap, sorry. When the writ is dropped there is only one vote.

    She is also not smearing Kennedy. He doesn't have a degree. That will be a deciding issue for some people. She is entitled to that opinion and can restate it a thousand times if she wants to between now and December. It is valid. If a candidate can not withstand valid Liberal criticism, they have no business in a general election.

    This is not an anonymi saying Kennedy is pro-life, which has no basis in fact, and is as such, a smear.

    You know people get angry, when they feel their loved ones have not been treated fairly by the health care system, education system, police, government etc. Liberals need to learn to deal with these concerns.

    I would encourage Sandra to raise the education and care of autistic children as a leadership issue. It is the perfect time to discuss these and other issues and make them into policy on the convention floor.

    As a Kennedy supporter, telling a mother, who's angry because of a lack of care for her child to be quiet and not voice her opinion, will not help Kennedy. Since she feels Mr. Kennedy has betrayed her child and you know him personally, berhaps you could set up a meeting for her.

    Besides, since when do you speak for the Dryden camp? Let's be honest here people and let individuals talk about what's important to them without criticism.

    Kennedy had better be able to do that, if he wants to be PM.

    By Blogger s.b., at 10:52 PM  

  • Dion unpopular in Quebec? That's true for separatists, but not Liberals. And there is noone on the federal scene (Harper and Layton included) who would dare challenge the Clarity Act, because it was the right thing to do.

    Dion is moderate, principled, ethical, intelligent, has experience around the cabinet table, and has spent 10 years getting to know what governing means.

    He is a man who stands by his convictions, and fought for Canada.

    He didn't cross any floor. He didn't jump from provincial politics to take over the country. He didn't get pissy with Paul Martin after he was dropped from cabinet. He is a loyal Liberal -- an academic who understands loyalty better than any old-fashioned politician.

    I can't think of anyone

    By Blogger harrytuplips, at 11:33 PM  

  • S.B,

    Criticism is healthy for ALL the candidates. It is good for the Party to talk about the pros and cons of all the candidates. Mr. Kennedy is very open to feedback as all the candidates should be.

    As I already posted, if Sandra has a particular issue that she wants Mr. Kennedy and others to address, this is a great opportunity to have her voice heard. Does Sandra know what Mr. Kennedy's stance is on funding autism treatment if he was in charge as Liberal Leader or Prime Minister??? I think she should at least find this out before devoting a blog address encouraging others to take a negative view on him.
    Since she is supporting another candidate, it is perfectly legitimate to ask what is behind her attack on Mr. Kennedy.

    Based on what has been written so far, Sandra's intention does not seem to be to discuss the pros and cons of Mr. Kennedy. She is soliciting the blog for info on Kennedy to smear him. She has created an email address for other smear workers to dump off more smear on him. Asking others to find out about when he played on a hockey team??? What is the purpose of this?? How is that related to his credentials?? I hardly call that an intelligent discussion on valid criticism of a candidate.

    That would be the same as you or I creating a blog address to send in any rumour or negative item on Mr. Dryden- "Dryden Facts".

    I think Mr. Kennedy's education has been extensively covered in the blogs. Some do not consider Mr. Kennedy's university education to be a negative.

    If I have misinterpreted the purpose of Sandra's blogs on Mr. Kennedy, then by all means, I would be happy to listen to her explanation as to why she is creating a blog address that asks for negative info on Mr. Kennedy.

    By Blogger The Real Kennedy Facts, at 12:17 AM  

  • Ontario...where the Education Minister has no...well...education. It's like having a finance Minister on welfare!

    By Blogger BCgrit, at 3:03 AM  

  • I guess Kennedy can always campaign to Pink Floyd's "Another Brick in the wall", after all the first line of 'we don't need no education' seems to fit his campaign.

    By Blogger Chris, at 4:21 AM  

  • A former hockey player as PM - talk about staying true to the brand.

    By Blogger doggerelblogger, at 8:53 AM  

  • Dryden posters,

    According to Premier McGuinty and many others, Kennedy is one of the best Education Ministers Ontario has ever had. He has four years of university education and left to run a food bank. I wonder if Mr. Dryden would smear Mr. Kennedy for doing that? I doubt it.
    You might want to think about how you are best representing your candidate before you come on with
    attacks.

    Go Kennedy!

    By Blogger WesternLiberal, at 9:59 AM  

  • This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

    By Blogger Demosthenes, at 10:55 AM  

  • Well, judging by the number of anti-Kennedy comments here, you can pretty easily tell who the frontrunner is.

    Ok, look: Kennedy's lack of education is not going to be a significant factor, unless the party makes it one. Harper is running as a populist, and a lack of education is never a barrier to a battle of populists. Kakuei Tanaka practically owned Japan from the early 70's (both as PM and as behind-the-scenes power broker), for example, and that country is notoriously education-obsessed.

    As for the education portfolio... I think his successful stewardship of the education ministry covers that problem. He might end up in a slapfight with Joe Volpe over education, considering Volpe's background as an educator, but let's be honest...they aren't going after the same delegate pools anyway. Volpe and Ignatieff are in direct competition, sure, but Kennedy's biggest problem is Rae, not "Joe who".

    By Blogger Demosthenes, at 10:56 AM  

  • "Hey, did you know Stephen Harper is a Toronto boy?"

    None of us recall the Liberal scare campaign about Harper being an Ontarian.

    Gotta love 80% of the BlocOntario leadership candidates being from the Big Smoke!

    By Blogger anonymous, at 12:45 PM  

  • Vancouver station CKNW is reporting that Hedy Fry has a news conference scheduled this Thursday where she will announce her candidacy. Note she is not announcing this in Prince George.

    By Blogger wuzup1, at 12:49 PM  

  • "When the conversation switched to French as a kind of test, Mr. Kennedy flunked."

    Over the last 20 years THREE university credit FRENCH courses would have come in real handy.

    By Blogger anonymous, at 12:50 PM  

  • CG, it would appear that your wish might be Hedy's command...

    http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/May2006/01/c2190.html

    By Blogger Leeds Lib, at 5:42 PM  

  • I have heard that Kennedy opposes abortion - can someone please clarify this for me?

    Thank you,
    anybodybutiggy

    By Blogger anybody but iggy, at 2:37 AM  

  • Here are 5 you can strike off the list.

    From the G&M May 13

    "The five other candidates who completed the interview -- Maurizio Bevilacqua, Gerard Kennedy, Mr. Brison, Mr. Dryden and Ms. Bennett -- all rated below the level for bilingual certification."

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