Wednesday, March 08, 2006

Decision Day Approaches

The Liberal Party's National Executive has a big decision before them. On the weekend of March 18th, they will be meeting in Ottawa to decide on the rules for the upcoming leadership race. Here's what I'd recommend they decide on, if I was in the room:


Location
For logistical reasons, the convention has to be held in a big city. With the glut of Ontario candidates, I think it would be best to hold it on neutral ground, and in a region where the party needs to grow. To me, that makes Montreal or Vancouver the logical choices, with Montreal winning out on travel costs.


Date
I still think the later, the better. A November convention would be absolutely insane, if you look at the timeline. Because membership form sales are cut off five months before the convention, that means the candidates would have from April to mid-June to:
-declare
-assemble organizations
-hold debates
-sign up members

I think a February or March 2007 date makes the most sense right now.


Entry Fee
You obviously need an entry fee to keep the crazies out (but, then again, Fontana will probably run regardless...). But the race shouldn't be about money. I know the party is broke but 10 candidates at $50,000 a head makes a lot more financial sense than five at $100,000 a head. Keep in mind that more candidates means more Liberals get signed up, funneling more money back to the party via membership sales and donations.


Spending Limits
Under the new fundraising rules, I don't think this will be a major issue since no one will be able to spend the 10-12 million Martin is rumoured to have put into his 2003 campaign. What the national executive needs to worry about, however, is accountability in spending. The last thing we need are 50 people with summer "jobs" at Magna being paid outside of the declared expenses. It's difficult to keep tabs on a lot of the soft money floating around, but there needs to be some accountability in the way money is spent.


Membership Forms
This will most likely be left to the provincial associations to decide (why we don't have uniform membership rules is beyond me). But whoever is making the decision should lift restrictions on access to membership forms in this party. Nothing created more disgruntled Liberals during the last race than the membership rules. If you want to raise the cost of membership then fine, do that. But you need to make the forms accessible to everyone and you need to have Internet sign-up as a legitimate option.


Miscellaneous
There also needs to be a crack-down on paper campus clubs (and women's clubs) getting their four delegates. I know this stuff is hard to regulate, but you had one Ontario club submit a membership list consisting of the 1999 Cincinnati Reds during the last leadership. To the best of my knowledge, Barry Larkin was not a Paul Martin supporter, and those sort of dirty tactics need to be snuffed out quickly.


UPDATE: Here's what one riding executive feels the rules should be:

We must make ideas, not money the principal criterion for selecting the next leader. With this in mind, the executive of the Ottawa West-Nepean Liberal Association passed the following resolution last night.


"Considering the critical need of the Liberal Party of Canada to democratize the race for leader of the Party, and the need to be seen as a democratic party;
"Recognizing that the financial rules of the leadership campaign must encourage legitimate candidates to enter the leadership race and must not discourage any legitimate candidates;
"Believing that the leadership campaign spending limits must ensure a balanced, fair and democratic campaign for all candidates,
"Hereby suggest the following limits:
"Candidate entry fee of $25K;
"Campaign fundraising levy of 10%; and
"Campaign spending limit of $2 million"
We're calling on other Liberal associations to join us in calling for these reasonable limits.

53 Comments:

  • The business of internet signups (and superior databases and contact information) was mentioned by a few speakers at the Halifax AGM. Hopefully it will be practical to include that in the leadership race as it comes online.

    In terms of fundraising, easing logistics, and keeping out Barry Larkin and other questionable members (at least potentially) this should prove advantageous.

    By Anonymous Jason Townsend, at 8:48 PM  

  • Is it possible to move to a one member one vote system or does that require a party wide vote? Seems like it makes sense and gives a good perception of LPC democratization.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:02 PM  

  • I'm fairly sure changing the convention style would require a constitutional ammendment at the next convention. But I might be wrong...

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 9:05 PM  

  • Yep, unfortunatly it is in the constitution that we have a delegate convention.

    I think we seriously need to look at amending the constitution so that we can run it either way delegate or OMOV
    I personally prefer OMOV but understand the appeal of delegate.

    By Anonymous happeningfish, at 9:32 PM  

  • I hear that Bobbi Ethier is going to be pushing really hard for Winnipeg as the site of the convention. It is in the middle of the country, making it equally inacessiable to all Liberals.

    Plus a Feburary Convention at the MTS Centre in Winnipeg would mean a lot of time to work on policy cause it's too cold to do anything else.

    By Anonymous Manitoba Liberal, at 9:35 PM  

  • I believe a leadership convention earlier than later is better, even if it means an earlier cut-off on memberships. The reason for this belief is fivefold:

    1. We need a leader immediately to unite the Liberals on the critical issues of Medicare and Childcare. We need to focus on issues as soon as possible (a year long leadership race will divert our attention from policy platforms that we need for the next election).

    2. Cost: a 12 month leadership campaign is costly.

    3. An election could be called as soon as Harper's first budget (in two months). Although Paul Martin has done a lot for the Liberal Party, I do not feel he should lead the Liberal Party into a third election.

    4. It allows the Leader of the Liberal Party more time to unite the party after a leadership race that could be d1visive.

    5. My wife will separate from me and my children will forget who their father is if I spend the next 12 months working on a leadership campaign!

    By Anonymous MississaugaPeter, at 9:47 PM  

  • Peter,

    Their is no need to rush a leadership convention. The Haper government will not fall in the next two months, unless we the Liberals are stupid and arrogant enough to allow it to fall.

    1. A Leadership race will allow a strong policy debate to occur within the party and allow the Party to emerge stnading for something other than the desperate need to win at any cost. We do no service to key issues like Medicare or childcare if we rush into a leadership race only for the sake of quickness. We need the time to build the party.

    2. Cost? A 4 month camapign is going to be just as costly and would actually give the more well off candidates a distincy atvantage becasue they would be able to buy an organization instead of having to build on from within the grassroots. The longer the camapign the more chance that lesser known candidates will have to meet with members, attend debates and all-candidates meetings etc etc etc. An agreement by the contenders to stick to a budget would also eliminate the cost arguement.

    The only reason to want a convention in the early fall is because you support a candidate that is already buying their organization....

    3. Stupid Point. As already stated the Liberal Party controls the fate of the Harper government and if we are dumb enough to have an election so soon we will be crushed at the polls and rightfully so. I would even vote for Harper if our party was stupid enough to make the government fall. It would be Harper's dream scenerio for something like that to happen.

    4. It is up to the members and the candidates to make sure the leadership is not divisive. I think a fair, open, year long process will create far less divisions than the stupid 4 month membership-athon that you seem to think is a good idea.

    5. No need to involve yourself in it than. Many Liberals know that it is going to be a long hard road to rebuild the party and the leadership is just one small step in the process. If you can't do the work than step back and let others that can.

    By Anonymous Manitoba Liberal, at 10:16 PM  

  • Harper took the PC policy convention into the belly of the beast....Montreal.

    The Liberals should to the same...Calgary.

    Make the gaggle of Toronto-based candidates actually set foot in Alberta.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:22 PM  

  • Harper took the convention to the belly of the beast and found that the beast liked to be tickled on the belly.

    CG would know better than any of us - would there be a tickle effect come next election from a Calgary convention?

    ====

    Meanwhile, you guys are all in the know - do any of you have any substance to the rumours about David Orchard make a run for it?

    By Blogger Chuckercanuck, at 10:53 PM  

  • Well, Calgary did get its kick in 1990, and that hardly delivered. Redmonton might make a bit of sense, mind you, as there's actually a seat or three there for the taking.

    By Anonymous Tom, at 11:38 PM  

  • I agree with anon(8:22), we need to go where Liberals are weak. Republicans came to NYC, Harper went to Montreal, we should go to Calgary or Edmonton.

    By Anonymous Mezba, at 1:15 AM  

  • Not to sound defeatist, but Calgary is beyond help right now. I could see some value to Edmonton, but I still think Quebec is the key area the party needs to regain, so I'd pick Montreal for that reason.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 1:29 AM  

  • Quebec may be the key area for the Liberals to regain, but it seems like the Quebeckers aren't necessarily going to be amenable to that sort of, to be blunt, pandering. Witness all the Quebeckers saying that the next Liberal leader should be a bilingual Anglophone. Montreal was also the home of the Liberal campaign during the last election, and that didn't help much.

    (Besides, by that logic of growth and/or retaining old seats, shouldn't somewhere in Ontario be the most fruitful choice? Losing the 905s would be even more disastrous than losing Quebec.)

    This isn't going to be a popular choice, but considering the realities of the race and the grave threat on the left posed by the NDP, I wonder whether holding it in Toronto might not be the best choice.

    Toronto has been either ignored or actively disparaged by almost every level of government above municipal since David Peterson left office; the only reason why it received any financial recognition during the last government was due to Jack's budget, and Chretien poured far more resources into Quebec then he ever did the supposed "centre of the universe".

    Toronto has been hard done by, particularly by Harper's deliberate cabinet snub, and if it goes orange, the Liberals are toast. Considering that, why not hold it there?

    (Other than that reflexive Albertan anti-Toronto bias that, I'm sure, the CalgaryGrit doesn't suffer from.)

    Just a thought.

    By Blogger Demosthenes, at 2:55 AM  

  • Manitoba Liberal,

    I beg to differ with your statement

    "Their is no need to rush a leadership convention. The Haper government will not fall in the next two months, unless we the Liberals are stupid and arrogant enough to allow it to fall."

    The Liberals alone do not dictate when the next election will occur.

    The Conservatives could call an election anytime.

    HARPER IS NOT STUPID. He and the rest of the Conservatives are still in election mode. Why do you think he has met with Charest at least four times in five weeks?

    In the next few months, the GST will be cut and parents will start to receive monthly childcare cheques.

    If Harper builds further momentum in Quebec, there is absolutely no reason for him to not call a 28-day election (or trigger a vote of non-confidence). He wants a majority! He will not wait until Liberals chose a leader, build a platform, raise money, etc.

    With a fresh Liberal leader not associated with the perceived faults of the past government, I believe that the Liberal Party can win the next election. We only lost the last election by some 20 seats. If we just regained the seats in Ontario that we lost we would have more seats that the Conservatives. Unfortunately, if we wait too long (because we want the Leadership candidates to come to our door) we will lose this opportunity, and then we will have enough time to have a 3-4 year long leadership campaign!

    By Anonymous MississaugaPeter, at 5:21 AM  

  • Manitoba Liberal,

    I am not happy with your presumption:

    "The only reason to want a convention in the early fall is because you support a candidate that is already buying their organization...."

    If you did a little research, you would know I support a candidate that has not even decided if he will run. If he does, he will not need to buy an organization.

    I fear a Harper majority. And I still believe that 12 months to decide on a leader is just

    By Anonymous MississaugaPeter, at 5:42 AM  

  • A few thoughts/observations:

    The leadership is delegated, but the delegates are allotted proportionally to riding level vote, so there is a basic fairness which old-style conventions lacked.

    Second, since Elections Canada will be regulating the spending, I think it will be more difficult to skirt the rules, though certainly far from impossible.

    Third, the problem with clubs can largely be avoided by nesting their members within riding associations. In the recent PC leadership race in NS provision was made for youth and women's clubs, but their delegates were taken from those allotted to riding associations, so their delegate selection meetings were held at the same time as the general meetings, and any members of the riding who fit the demographic profile of the club could vote in the club meeting. It certainly cut down on the incentive to create paper clubs.

    Finally, we all know Tony Ianno is going to win, so let's just declare him leader now.

    By Anonymous Peter Loewen, at 6:53 AM  

  • The bloc Quebecois holds their convention in Montreal so it only makes sense that the bloc Torontois aka LPC do so in TO

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:40 AM  

  • We must make ideas, not money the principal criterion for selecting the next leader. With this in mind, the executive of the Ottawa West-Nepean Liberal Association passed the following resolution last night.

    "Considering the critical need of the Liberal Party of Canada to democratize the race for leader of the Party, and the need to be seen as a democratic party;
    "Recognizing that the financial rules of the leadership campaign must encourage legitimate candidates to enter the leadership race and must not discourage any legitimate candidates;
    "Believing that the leadership campaign spending limits must ensure a balanced, fair and democratic campaign for all candidates,
    "Hereby suggest the following limits:

    "Candidate entry fee of $25K;
    "Campaign fundraising levy of 10%; and
    "Campaign spending limit of $2 million"

    We're calling on other Liberal associations to join us in calling for these reasonable limits.

    By Anonymous Joseph Thornley, at 9:05 AM  

  • I heard they will hold it in Montreal because the Liberals are having a crisis there (Conservatives taking ten seats there).

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:52 AM  

  • What's your issue with Joe Fontana?

    By Blogger Idealistic Pragmatist, at 9:55 AM  

  • Missisaugapeter:
    In response to your comment "If he does, he will not need to buy an organization" I respectfully suggest that this particular possible campaign has been losing ground, because there has been no one identified as a public contact person. I am aware of excellent organizers from Timmins,Sudbury,London,Bowmanville and Toronto who have made efforts to reach out and offer their support only to have their emails and phone calls left unresponded to. Now the easy answer is that his staff is employed by the Ontario Education Ministry etc etc but surely to God a message can be passed on and responded to "after hours".
    Perhaps you can provide us with a person or phone number where people can offer their support and resonably expect a reply ?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:00 AM  

  • Wouldn't locating in Montreal (or any other city 500km away from GTA) open up all the GTA area associations for travel subsidy?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:37 AM  

  • If we have a full convention then it needs to be TO (this from a Calgarian) Just to get most people to go. It is central and the travel there would be the cheapest for the largest number of people from coast to coast to coast. Winnipeg and Montreal would be okay for similar reasons. Winnipeg might be a lot of fun depending on when.
    Personally I like the idea of a series of 4 or 5 regional conventions over a series of consequtive weekends.
    So BC first weekend
    then Atlantic
    then prairies
    then Quebec
    Then Ont

    It would be like a primary race in the states.
    It would make for great drama
    A leadership debate every weekend focusing on regional local issues.
    It would be cheaper as it could be in smaller venues.
    The press would love it.
    We could maximize attendance as lots more people could go.
    The candidates could spend a lot of time in each region getting to hear ideas.
    I understand that the riding presidents in Calgary have endorsed such a process and drafted a letter to ottawa suggesting it.
    Sure we would miss out on having fun meeting all those wild maritime girls but...

    By Anonymous Another Calgary Grit, at 11:01 AM  

  • If the Convention is at any time from November to February I want to go to Vancouver or Victoria.

    For my $1000 delegate fee I want to get the hell out of the cold of Ottawa for a week. It's freezing here.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:17 AM  

  • Anonymous at 8am,

    Point well taken. I will get you a phone number to call today. Check back on Calgary Grit today.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:30 AM  

  • Anon 8 am; It's my understanding that e-mails to Gerard's MPP account are being passed off to an organizer of his and are being responded to to find support levels.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:03 PM  

  • Harper won't be brought down on his budget this year - that'd be insane.

    I think a February 2007 convention would be fine - it'd still allow the party to defeat Harper's 2007 budget if need be.

    By Anonymous Jeff, at 12:06 PM  

  • Why does everyone think that Harper needs to be brought down to force an election?

    If Harper has the polling numbers (which will spike after the GST cut and parents start to receive their $100 per child per month childcare cheques) and the Liberals are still without a leader and platform, nothing prevents him from walking over to the governor general's office and requesting a 28-day election campaign.

    By Anonymous MississaugaPeter, at 12:18 PM  

  • Harper won't be able to afford an election with the public's first hit that comes after his budget. Although the peep are clamouring for their 1% pocket change, they likely glazed over when the Tories added that they would be clawing back (from this Jan) all the tax savings granted in the last Liberal mini-budget. Come May, they'll see a sudden hit in the paycheck that likely will stir up some dust. And Harpo, to pay for some of his other promises, has to lay the ground work for 'We were left with a mess', eg the new elected gov't's standard credo...
    I'm betting he'd love to drop the writ quickly on the new Grit boss, ala Chretien to Day. In the meantime, let's rally the troops. A Feb or early Mar convention works fine by me -- after all, we only have one candidate to date!

    By Anonymous sophoclesimnot, at 12:39 PM  

  • chuckercanuck,

    I've heard some western grits talk about David Orchard. I'm not sure if he's mulling the bid, or if its people trying to draft him into the race. Would be pretty excitin if he did.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:19 PM  

  • CG, echoing the above sentiment from another post; what IS your deal with Fontana OR for that matter any candidate that isn’t one of the ‘perceived’ frontrunners?

    Instead of picking on a guy who has actually been with this party since the 80’s when we were in opposition the first time (and one of the few in the field who has made any real sacrifice for the party), why don’t you levy some criticism against the liberals of convenience, turncoats and other hacks throwing their hats into the race.

    The cost of entry should be kept relatively low in order to allow a wide range of candidates who span the political spectrum of our ‘big tent party’ to express themselves and enrich the discourse in this leadership debate. YOU’RE worried about “crazies” entering the running?! HA, I’m more concerned about the “frontrunners” who if they were to win would surely be a liability to our party and easy-pickings for a Harper-led attack, which let’s face it, was quite effective and efficient at making us all look like chumps last go (two fo which have already proven they cannot win in a leadership contest, one of which has already proven she can’t beat Harper). I’m certainly not purposing that any one of the underdogs should outright lead our party but I am saying that the views and beliefs they bring to the table force some of the more organized contenders to address issues and concerns they normally would not.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:05 PM  

  • On the question of Location, Toronto and Montreal are the two considerations (although Jamie Elmhirst was pushing pretty hard for Vancouver for a while) It turns out that Montreal wants it pretty bad and the city is gonna give the party some serious cost breaks. Thus we will all be in Montreal this fall

    By Blogger Michael Crook, at 2:09 PM  

  • Calgary Grit -

    we've been waiting for your promised Dion stuff.

    to me, it doesn't sound so good for Dion if you've dragged your feet on a review of his visits to cowtown.

    By Blogger Chuckercanuck, at 2:54 PM  

  • Further to the suggestion from a few posts back, has the idea of a multi-stop primary-type convention ever been mooted? I mean, it's a bit late talking about it now, but surely if there's a party that naturally could benefit from multiple conventions in multiple urban centres, it would be the Libs.

    There are no seats in Toronto-proper about to go orange or blue, and I think the island of Montreal is still fairly solid, especially post-Gomery. If we're actually playing the "go to the holes" game in Eastern Canada, then the convention needs to be in La Colisee in Quebec or at the, er, John Labatt Centre in London. (or Niagara Falls, maybe?) Neither seems likely.

    By Anonymous Tom, at 3:27 PM  

  • To Anonymous at 8:00am,

    Send your message, with contact info to:

    volunteer@draftkennedy.ca

    You will be contacted promptly.

    From Anonymous at 9:30am

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:27 PM  

  • Or we could do the really unexpected thing and go to Iqaluit.

    There really wouldn't be much point in holding the convention in Calgary; when was the last time a Liberal was elected there, even when the party was winning majorities?

    By Blogger IslandLiberal, at 5:13 PM  

  • Actually, the Liberals held Nunavut.

    Anyhow, Stronach is off and running. She was in Winnipeg last night, drumming up support among the party's youth wing, Held at the Sals on the Esplanade Riel. Right at the heart of Franco-Manitoba in a 'Peg landark paid for by the Liberals and a moument to a Liberal Mayor (Glen Murray, who spearheaded its construction). Around 200 showed.

    Montreal is a great location.

    David Imrie - dave.imrie@gmail.com

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:41 PM  

  • You mean Belinda was offering "summer jobs at Magna" in Winnipeg to the youth.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:00 PM  

  • Here's the deal. Belinda doesn't need other's peoples' money to run for leadership so what she's doing is fundraisers for other cash starved Libs such as the Young Liberals and others and basically, holding a carrot in front of them they can't refuse..cashola. Who wouldn't take that bait?

    Meanwhile, other leadership candidates who don't have the millions will have to do it the honest way and hold fundraisers for themselves under stringent donor limits. I ask you. Can the leadership be bought? Ah...where is Rick Mercer when we need him eh?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:30 PM  

  • Anonymous at 7:30pm,

    You are right on the money with your assessment of the Belinda situation. She is getting liberals to organize and hold events for her by donating the ticket money to a Liberal group. Obviously, this is really just another version of buying support.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:06 PM  

  • "funneling more money back to the party via membership sales and donations." - CG

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:34 PM  

  • funneling more money back to the party via membership sales and donations." - CG

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.


    Remember, folks, the Tory Party runs on volunteers. They don't take in any donations or charge for memberships.

    By Anonymous Jason Townsend, at 12:32 AM  

  • It should be noted that Belinda will be limited to contributing only $5000 of her own money. And, as the race will be monitored by Elections Canada, I suspect Magna will be loathe to skirt the rules as has been suggested.

    Indeed, Belinda's ability to raise enough small donations to finance a campaign will be as much a test of her candidacy as any other candidate. I suspect she'll do fine on this end.

    By Anonymous Peter Loewen, at 10:02 AM  

  • Peter Loewen,

    Yes, she can only donate $5,000.

    But each of her children can donate $5,000. Her dad, other family members, the directors of Magna, Magna executives.................... can also donate $5,000 each.

    PLEASE DO NOT CLAIM "Belinda's ability to raise enough small donations to finance a campaign will be as much a test of her candidacy as any other candidate."

    NONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES I AM AWARE OF HAS THE SAME GENETIC, MONETARY ADVANTAGE SHE DOES.

    This is not a criticism of her. It is just a comment on a statement that you made which I disagree with.

    By Anonymous MississaugaPeter, at 11:34 AM  

  • MPete:

    Fair enough. She certainly has access to capital which other don't, but a couple of caveats should be added. First, donations cannot be bundled and employees cannot be compelled to donate. And, again, Magna will be reluctant to skirt the law. Second, minors can't donate (though this is just a quibble). Third, even if you found 100 of these people, which is a lot, you're still only at half a million. That's certainly a jump on Ianno or someone else of that tier, but it won't get you far in a national race.

    A major advantage will be realised by the candidate(s) who are able to assemble a network of small donors who feel compelled to get their friends and their friends to make similar donations. This is the, perhaps, the biggest test for leadership candidates of a party which has failed miserably in this regard over the years.

    By Anonymous Peter Loewen, at 12:19 PM  

  • Liberal Party of Canada =

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.

    "an elaborate kickback scheme...a culture of entitlement" - Justice John Gomery.

    Exterminate all liberals.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:11 PM  

  • For all interested Liberals:

    A Draft Kennedy website is now up and running for Gerard Kennedy.

    www.draftkennedy.ca

    Check it out.

    By Anonymous jill, at 4:15 PM  

  • chuckercanuck; Dion was good. I just haven't had a lot of time to post over the past few days...

    I'll have something up late tonight, or tomorrow morning.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 5:12 PM  

  • CG,

    no deadline - you're at your best on your own schedule, that's for sure. but I am curious. Paul Wells isn't crazy, so maybe he's right....

    By Blogger Chuckercanuck, at 7:56 PM  

  • conservative motto, as stated by a Conservative Candidate during the election, is "the facts don't matter."

    By Blogger Koby, at 9:29 PM  

  • "you had one Ontario club submit a membership list consisting of the 1999 Cincinnati Reds during the last leadership."

    That's pretty funny.

    By Blogger Toronto Tory, at 11:04 PM  

  • Just a clarification guys:

    While Belinda/Magna might be limited to a $5000 "donation", money can also be "loaned" to a campaign. It's happened in the recent past.

    The "loan" doesn't ever have to be collected after a leadership campaign. It's a de facto donation, and it gets around the rules.

    By Blogger Toronto Tory, at 11:12 PM  

  • Toronto Tory:

    I am afraid you're just wrong in this case. C-24 ensures that loans are accompanied by a clear repayment schedule, which must be drawn from campaign funds. Moreover, any donations made within 18 months after a leadership race are still under the rules. Accordingly, a candidate could only repay a loan out of campaign funds, thus maintaining the $5000 limit.

    In fairness, your point would have stood in the days pre-C-24.

    By Blogger Peter Loewen, at 2:32 AM  

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