Tuesday, January 31, 2006


A new poll out has support for Quebec independence at a shockingly low level.

As he prepares to leave office on Monday, Canadians everywhere owe Jean Lapierre a great deal of thanks for this. Thanks 100% to him, and him alone, support for independence is now down to the levels it was at...when he first took over as Martin's Quebec lieutenant in January 2004.

Lawrence Cannon has a tough act to follow.


  • With the increase in noise from the PQ on separation and no real strong federal voice-- I wonder if this isn't the usual balancing act that happens with regards to separation in Quebec. Interesting enough, after Trudeau lost the federal election in 1979, Levesque lost four by-elections and surveys tilted in favour of staying in Canada among Quebecers. Don't question it -- Canadian politics is odd.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:04 p.m.  

  • And the Liberal revisionists are already trying to heap onto Lapierre's shoulders.

    I doubt blame the attempt.

    Funny thing: originally, Martin-Lapierre were both of the Harper school vis a vis Quebec.

    Chretien's approach to force a single federal electoral option for federalists that motivated a great deal of the sponsorship program.

    Lapierre took over just as the AG report was being published.

    It would have been interesting if Martin/Lapierre had broken with policy, not just people, and didn't "trahi" their original beliefs.

    By Blogger Chuckercanuck, at 10:10 p.m.  

  • How can this be when the right whingers were all screaming during the campaign that separatist sentiment was at an all time high?

    By Blogger Robert McClelland, at 10:38 p.m.  

  • Looks like the right-whingers did something in 8 weeks that the left-whingers couldn't in 8 years.

    By Blogger Chuckercanuck, at 10:40 p.m.  

  • Is it entirely posible that the decline in Quebec separatism is mainly attributed to the defeat of Paul Martin and the federal Liberal party. To suggest that Jean Lapierre had much to do with it is a pretty big stretch of most peoples imagination.

    By Anonymous Rick W, at 10:43 p.m.  

  • I do believe that somehow the tongue-in-cheek nature of the post missed a few people. M. Lapierre's "accomplishment" was clearly not being praised.

    By Blogger MJ, at 10:54 p.m.  

  • If you believe Lapierre had anything to do with these numbers. . . GO BLOW YOURSELF

    Or else get Scott Reid to blow ya . . . you are an Albertan after all

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:54 p.m.  

  • Given my previous postings on Lapierre, I think most long time readers should be able to realize the post was tongue in cheek.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 11:15 p.m.  

  • FUCK YOU CALGARY GRIT, you are such a lieberal sychophant, giving credit to your longtime hero Jean Lapierre, this is the height of hypocricy. Take your blogging grants and your other Lieberal Largess and like one other intelligent poster said GO BLOW YOURSELF!!! You Lieberals are all the same, greasy Martin loving Lieberals. He Lost, get over it, and quit patting yourselves on the back for saving Canada, when clearly it was Gilles hairnet

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:28 p.m.  

  • The apparently lost art of facetiousness.

    He was taking a shot at the federalist-turned founder of the BQ-turned federalist, but not liking the Clarity Act.

    I haven't been reading CG that long, and I even knew the tongue-in-cheekness. Sheesh.

    By Anonymous Trev, at 11:30 p.m.  

  • C.G.

    You should know by now that conservatives are idoits and have no sense of humour.


    I'll bet $10 that "Mikeh" made a few of the negative posts in this thread.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:37 p.m.  

  • Grit seems to attract the thickest readers on the net.

    Another great post.

    By Anonymous ralph klein, at 11:42 p.m.  

  • People took this for anything other than a tongue-in-cheek post?

    Maybe they're coming over from Cherniak's digs...

    By Blogger The Tiger, at 11:52 p.m.  

  • I'd say this is because we no longer have a corrupt government in Ottawa, but the Loony Left would never consider that an option...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:56 p.m.  

  • You'd be a fool to read anything into this, CG! The ebb and flow of separation sentiment is a permanent feature of Quebec society. Why? is more appropriate here than Wow!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:58 p.m.  

  • CG, sad how many people in the country fail to comprehend sarcasm. even when it is bleeding obvious. too bad lapierre won't be around to laugh at much longer.

    By Anonymous Chris, at 12:03 a.m.  

  • Hilarious post.

    And the "GO BLOW YOURSELF" comment cracked me up.

    And they wonder why we continue on as Liberals. The fact that we can laugh at ourselves is going to be a huge asset in the next little while.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:09 a.m.  

  • Well I think he was "the mole" working for the Block. But was he really?? perhaps, maybe - a DOUBLE mole??, pretending to work under wraps for Gilles but actually a sleeper Tory? [Think about it - the timing all works] Check out if he likes perogies!! That'll clinch it!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:41 a.m.  

  • that was funny; not as funny as the way too serious crowd not getting it, but funny.
    oh can Lapierre now be assigned to the dustbin of history?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:33 a.m.  

  • That's why we Liberals mostly win. We can laugh; at ourselves, and very often, at clueless little Connies. They hate that. :p

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:06 a.m.  

  • :)

    Personally, I didn't get it till the second time I read it. (after I picked my jaw up from the floor, of course)

    By Blogger BBS, at 3:03 a.m.  

  • Well to the 11:33 anonymous, Lapierre did win reelection, the one of the 13 in Quebec.


    Much like Martin, I doubt he'll stay really long. The only caveat in that is that he turns 50 in May. He had just turned 23 when he first got elected in the Clark pregnancy/government.


    By Anonymous Trev, at 3:18 a.m.  

  • I'm not too bright, never claimed to be...but even I didnt need a "sarcasm alert" on that one.
    That was funny Cgrit.

    By Anonymous gwilliamjr@aol.com, at 8:35 a.m.  

  • CG, how come nobody ever gets your sarcasm?

    The comments below your posts by people who don't get it always amuse me as much as the post itself.

    By Blogger Toronto Tory, at 10:12 a.m.  

  • Calgary Grit is right.

    The Liberals offended Quebec so much, and so often, and Lapierre and Martin were seen as the focus of that anger.

    Quebec was so angry at how they were taken from granted, treated as foolish non-thinking people, that when Stephen Harper and the Conservatives stood up against the separatists, Quebec decided to try a new path.

    I believe the turning point of the election was when Paul Martin proclaimed "fighting separatists is in his DNA" and he would "fight separatists everywhere".

    Giles Duceppe challenged Martin to a one on one debate, and Paul Martin ran.

    He ran faster than the roadrunner escaping the coyote.

    Stephen Harper challenged Duceppe to a debate, and Duceppe ran.

    That was the real turning point.

    For Liberals to claim it is their actions which changed the course of this tide is to reach into depths which only demonstrate their frustration and lack of understanding of both Quebec and Canada.


    By Blogger The Infozone, at 10:16 a.m.  

  • Just to point out to the morons who may think I didn't get CG's sarcasm:

    My point was:

    To lay the blame entirely on Lapierre is foolish. The Liberal vision of national unity - which is, Toronto calls the shots, everyone else shut up, has as much to do with the Liberal sag in Quebec as Lapierre.

    I was being helpful to you Liberals. Bite not the hand that helps you!

    By Blogger Chuckercanuck, at 10:20 a.m.  

  • I feel like John Kerry losing to George Bush. My god how did we lose to these idiots. Yeah right Chuckercanuck, you got it, lol.
    By the by when was this poll done??

    By Anonymous Happeningfish, at 10:35 a.m.  

  • Chuckercanuck, thank you so much for the help.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:47 a.m.  

  • Dear Chuckercanuck

    Yes, your suspicions are correct, I was being sarcastic in my 8:47 post. I know you conservatives have problems recognizing sarcasm. I am just trying to help with this clarification. “Bite not the hand that helps you!”


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:52 a.m.  

  • Thanks, Anonymous for the clarification.

    Question: how do you manage to post so many comments concurrently on so many different blogs?

    You are blogolia's most prodigous contributor.

    By Blogger Chuckercanuck, at 11:08 a.m.  

  • Dear chuckercanuck

    Are you being sarcastic?


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:19 a.m.  

  • No. I really think there's a supercomputer being run by a guy named anonymous.

    He's a lefty with ties to the hyper-right-wing of America. She also posts in non-political blogs on basically every topic known to man.

    One day, we will hunt down Anonymous and make her/him/it the Leader of the Liberal Party.

    By Blogger Chuckercanuck, at 11:22 a.m.  

  • Dear Chuckercanuck

    Thank you for the clarification. For a second I thought you might be joking.

    Wow, me! Supercomputer Anonymous, leader of the Liberal party! Well guess we could do worse. After all we could end up with Stockwell Day leading a national party. Just kidding, we know that would never happen.

    By the way what does “prodigous” mean?


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:12 p.m.  

  • Anonymous,

    It means a lot. But I might spell it wrong.

    By Blogger Chuckercanuck, at 12:33 p.m.  

  • There's a real MENSA meeting going on here.

    By Blogger Toronto Tory, at 1:16 p.m.  

  • Mensa? uhhhh. That's for them smart people, eh?

    By Blogger Chuckercanuck, at 1:27 p.m.  

  • No, for those pompous people.
    In Toronto, should be packed.
    Come early

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:43 p.m.  

  • Ahh.. gotta love the anonymous slagging.

    By Blogger Toronto Tory, at 6:47 p.m.  

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