Wednesday, December 28, 2005

Much Ado About Klander

There's been some media attention given to the Klander comments, but it really doesn't seem to be generating a ton of traction. It may just be because the story broke on Christmas. It may just be because of the tragic shooting in Toronto which is sure to dominate the news for the foreseeable future. It may just be because it's a blog and most people assume that blogs are all full of zany racist hijinx.

But I think the real reason this story won't go anywhere is because it's easy to write Klander off as a nutjob; This won't reinforce any beliefs of fears about the Liberal Party. If the Tory version of Mike Klander had made similar comments, people would pay attention because a lot of people think the Conservative Party is full of Mike Klanders (be that a fair or unfair opinion). The general public doesn't see the Liberal Party as bigoted so they're more likely to write Klander off as a "bad apple". Had he embezzled from his riding association, that may have fed the Liberal corruption theme, but the only underlying fear of the Liberals this incident will feed is that Liberals make for bad bloggers.

That's why beer and popcorn got traction. It was based on policy and there's a feeling out there that Liberals feel the state can make decisions better than Canadians. The Klander blog will certainly help Olivia Chow, and a few people who follow politics will no doubt shake their heads and say "Paul Martin has the dumbest advisors in political history" but I expect the buzz around these comments to die down quickly, causing little movement of public opinion.


  • Actually ex-LPO VP Klander just put another coat of Teflon on the Harper campaign.

    All of this stuff undercuts the negative ads the Board will run.

    If the ads are sufficiently undercut they can blow up and make a majority for the CPC that otherwise is not in the cards.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:36 p.m.  

  • Lucking timing, together with his quick resignation make this story dead in the water. And I think you're correct that it's easy to simply write him off as a nutjob (or loose cannon) who is not indicative of anything other than his own stupidity and lack of discretion.

    By Blogger Red Tory, at 2:39 p.m.  

  • Keep hoping that the Klander bit will die down, because it's a forlorn hope. With Scott Reid still in the PMO, and his "Alberta can *&$# me" type remarks, this and every little sideways sneeze the Lib's make from this point on will be suspect. Martin should really have turfed Reid, if only during the campaign. As long as he is helping Paul out, Paul will be seen as tolerant of this sort of behavior. Scott Reid still working is a tacit endorsement in the eyes of many voters.

    There's been one to many screw-up's in the liberal campaign, and I believe Klanders little "crapthebed" comments will completely derail their attempt to launch a negative campaign.

    I would expect to see the NDP numbers go up by the end of next week.

    By Blogger Joe Calgary, at 2:45 p.m.  

  • I will say that this does give Harper a "get out of jail free" card the next time someone in his party does something stupid. He can point to Klander as proof that there are loose cannons in every party.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 2:48 p.m.  

  • CG: Before beer and popcorn , before the Holocaust memorial Klander would have been just a get out of jail card.

    The Libs are giving Harper deflector shields to their upcoming adbuys... or worse yet Kim level flashback.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:58 p.m.  

  • Sheila Copps just dissected it:

    Indoctrination, Martin-style.

    The same backroom boys use the race card when it will play well for them. "Trade one Sikh candidate for a Ukrainian as long as it will get votes andkeep them quiet," is a view I have actually heard expressed by a key Martin organizer.

    See... same thing with Scott Reid. Beer and popcorn isn't news, it's just that what they say in the backroom was said on national television.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:07 p.m.  

  • This isn't a news story because it was Christmas and the shooting. Not because one was policy and the other wasn't. What policy was the Chretien "face" television ads about?

    Sheila Copps response disects how this is the norm in the Liberal backroom. How someone who joined the party in the 90s but wanted to move up the Marin chain has to act.

    The only traction out of Klandergate will be if Harper & Co. uses it in the upcoming debates. But you also can't discount the "these guys are clowns, we want change" factor.

    Sidenote: The violence in Toronto may end up helping the Conservatives more then Klander...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:17 p.m.  

  • It would be very easy for any local candidate to print five hundred leaflets with that picture, quote, and a nice little explanation on it. Then identify 500 asian households in their riding and send volunteers out to mailbox them.

    That would shake something loose.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:37 p.m.  

  • And if you all will notice that Jack Layton has not emerged from xmas break to condemn this.

    Watch him bring this up at his first major campaign stop after the break and re-energize the story.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:38 p.m.  

  • …………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

    This is the new symbol of activity in Canada. In Politics everyone fights for the center a place always avoided in the past. A lack of independent voice. Lots of politicians and no leaders. The line in medical terms a death. In journalistic creativity a line which cannot be cross for fear of the sales department’s vengeance. In Canadian patriotism we hear “it doesn’t matter who you vote for they really are all the same” Maybe they are right. In the States and Canada we have all as citizens paid for one hundred years for a huge charity fund. We have been paying taxes and the bulk of government programs while year over year industry records record profits and returns little to community. The harbor for their funds is over 7 Trillion dollars money promised to charity and a testament to the theory charity begins at home.

    The foundations finance lobby groups to assure industry stays on stable ground. Of late the Lobbies have learned an old trick in getting what they want how to undermine democracy itself. Mussolini knew the secret Rockefeller as well. Bill Gates has been defending his use of the domination secret for years now. At the W.H.O. they call it HIA medical interventions “domination of discussions to dominate decisions”. Canadian government is now the largest purchaser of media party branding is the kickback to keep the level flow.

    We need to make the line move again we need instability and debate it is the lifeblood of democracy.
    Paul Martin had his chance to be a leader and found comfort in following the polls and remaining a Poll itician or a puppet to the media demands. What we need is to send this line graphic to columnists and journalists who parrot each other verbatim off the newswires.

    We need to lobby governments to stale date that money in the foundations and give Bono the funds to feed the third worl. By taking away the cash bin we can raise our standard of living in the process as corporate giants around the world start to pay their fair share in a community financially oppressed too long. Yonge street in Toronto is the result of government impositions. Of segregating our communities in multi cultural efforts Canada was never segregationist we were always one. Despite what the bleeding heart racists tell you, Martin Luther had a better dream.. Blacks don’t deserve to live in Black neighborhoods they deserve to live in mine. The burden on the people has been too great for too long. As with Tobacco settlements costing billions being passed along with a markup to the smokers, given the impression the Tobacco companies were punished some how. Or a politician making promises on how he will spend our money or using children as props while he tells the stories the polls demand.

    We need a leader to dedicate himself to making the money promised to charity move and feed the third world taking away political controls and returning the voice to the people where it belongs. It would take a leader to make the line move as a digital DB meter can you hear the applause.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:50 p.m.  

  • Get a grip people. This is what comes from having too long a campaign. People have nothing to talk about so they grasp at idiotic comments by bloggers. Racists? Puhleeze! Her Chinese ethnicity has nothing to do with this.

    By Blogger except for one thing..., at 3:50 p.m.  

  • This is the NDP's issue and its very sensitive because it involves Jack Layton's wife. You can imagine any of the other leaders reacting emotionally to an attack on his wife.

    So, its only proper for Jack to keep quiet for a few days and let his temper cool. Then, I expect him to blanket Toronto with the printed highlights of the thing.

    By Blogger Tarkwell Robotico, at 4:03 p.m.  

  • Well we could have had a short campaign if Martin sided with the wishes of the three opposition parties. He had a choice.

    except for one thing, I guess you Liberals can at least be thankful there isn't a dog called "cheenky".

    Separated at birth indeed... Klander was separated from his brain.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:12 p.m.  

  • Well we could have had a short campaign if Martin sided with the wishes of the three opposition parties. He had a choice.

    except for one thing, I guess you Liberals can at least be thankful there isn't a dog called "cheenky".

    Separated at birth indeed... Klander was separated from his brain.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:13 p.m.  

  • And I guess Liberals can also be thankful that Klander didn't say that Jack Layton's wife enjoys eating dogs..

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:14 p.m.  

  • …………………………………………………………………………………………………

    I like the line idea. Winfield said make some noise. We won a world series as a result.


    By Blogger FXR, at 4:17 p.m.  

  • Interesting how Sheila Copps suddenly remembers how Liberal's are seamy, but when she was one of the insiders she didn't put a stop to any of this. We are supposed to believe that suddenly, once Martin took over they became seamy. Klander probably learned most of what he knows from Sheila. She remains one of the great masters of Canadian spin politics and probably the best heckler in Canadian history.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:32 p.m.  

  • Calgary, it's not the bigotry (not saying it wasn't biggoted) its the arrogance. That's becoming synonomous with the current Liberal brand.

    The Globe, (second page) had a long article about this.

    It'll hurt the Libs. This and the pattern of arrogance displayed to date.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:40 p.m.  

  • Before you talk about this being about "Martin's" people, just remember that Klander was a Manley person who Martin's guys brought in as a sign of trying to heal the party.

    By Blogger Jason Cherniak, at 5:09 p.m.  


    Off topic, but the Libs are sinking fast . . .

    (it's the income trust/RCMP announcement we've all been wating for)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:23 p.m.  

  • This election is over:

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:42 p.m.  

  • Sucks to be a Liberano..

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:04 p.m.  

  • Jason: Yeah, that was a freaking brilliant plan.. good as a Gomery's decision to bring on picking Roy.

    Forget about freeing Marc Emery, you should start a legal defense fund for Klander so he can get a nice severance.

    And I love your jackass army in the streets of Toronto post on your blog.

    Your weak-knees need to get to a private medical clinic ASAP. And when you walk by an armoury, just close your eyes.

    Klander, Cherniak, Reid.. all a bunch of windbags.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:24 p.m.  

  • What did you get for Christmas this year Canada?

    Liberal Incompetence.

    It's the gift that keeps giving, and giving, and giving..

    Ralph: Don't work that shredder too hard.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:39 p.m.  

  • Just watching CTV, under the heading:

    "Election Bombshell"

    is the story of income trust investigation.

    Then, a story about Harper looking out for vets with his latest announcement, flanked by a group of old Canadian warriors (you know, the ones that defended with their lives the democracy that Martin's Liberals are now evicerating with their political corruption).

    Couldn't be more black and white.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:39 p.m.  

  • CG, even if this particular story doesn't get any more attention - and I can't imagine Jack L. will just let this slide - this could be a "death from a thousand cuts" sort of thing.

    By Blogger Jason Hickman, at 6:48 p.m.  

  • The Liberals are showing their true colours.

    Smug, incompetent racists who do not feel parents can be trusted with decisions concerning their own children and who believe other parties candidates resemble dogs and assholes.

    Very charming.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:01 p.m.  

  • Calgary - I have to disagree with you. The story has traction and legs because, as Chester put it, it underlines Liberal arrogance. The Klander story will be walking around until election day. And as one of the editorials in the Winnipeg Free Press stated today and as you've stated here, it will give the Cons a bit of a pass with the next inevitable whacko comment.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:39 p.m.  

  • Jason, Mike Klander was ALWAYS a Martin guy, you actually think these guys bring in non-Martin guys HAHA, the guy you are thinking of is BRIAN KLUNDER who worked for the Honourable John Manley and would never say that. Have a good day Jason and show your ignorance elsewhere

    A Real Liberal

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:49 p.m.  

  • Now we have 4 pallbears for the Liberal funeral (Reid, Duffy (beer and popcorn)and Ianno runing against Layton's wife, plus Klander ) Can we expect 2 more by the week end?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:52 p.m.  

  • I do not believe that "Klan"der's comments reflect the position of Liberal minded people...what this has done however, is totally dismantle the same claim that has been fired at Conservatives by Liberals for far too long.
    All this is, is an immature, thoughtless, arrogant, crass punk with a blogsite. The only thing I feel that reflects badly on the Liberal Party is how the hell this guy elevated so high up the Liberal pecking order?

    By Blogger NorthBayTrapper, at 7:55 p.m.  

  • Jason;

    I think you're thinking of Brian Klunder. I'm almost positive Klander was always a Martin guy. His bio says as much.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:00 p.m.  

  • CalgaryGrit, you forgot to mention the most obvious explanation: Liberal-friendly MSM intentionally downplayed the Klander fiasco.

    Why look for complex answers when a simple one would suffice :)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:00 p.m.  

  • Don't fault Jason too much for his error. Look at the assertion by Heckbert that Klander was just a volunteer rather than EXECUTIVE VP for Ontario.

    The Martin Liberals don't know how to tell the truth anymore.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:57 p.m.  

  • By Blogger Unknown, at 10:29 p.m.  

  • By Blogger zzyytt, at 12:31 a.m.  

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