Thursday, December 04, 2008

Pro-Prorogue Polls

Sure, sure, we could argue over the proper spelling of "precedent" all night long but I know what you're all itching for - polling data!

Angus Reid
47% believe GG should prorogue
37% believe she should let coalition take power

More people
watched Harper speak than Dion speak last night but, judging from what they thought of both speeches, that's a good thing for Dion.

44% believe the Conservative minority has the moral authority to govern
31% believe the Liberal-NDP coalition has the moral authority to govern

Ipsos Reid
Pro-prorogue 68%
Coalition 29%

Election 56%
Prorogue 38%

CPC 46% Lib 23% NDP 13% BQ 9% Green 8%

We need a break 37%
Coalition time 28%
Election 19%

Harper government best to deal with economic crisis 47%
Dion coalition best to deal with economic crisis 34%

CPC 44% Lib 24% NDP 15% BQ 9% Green 8%

UPDATE: The Strategic Counsel mirrors these results. The country may be divided but, for once, the pollsters are not.

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  • majority without Quebec! Parizeau's dream come true, thanks libs but so long Quebec, not gonna miss you.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:46 PM  

  • I've never seen a political situation change so quickly in a 12 hour period. The Libs were looking so strong 12 hours ago, now this party looks like it is ready to fall apart at the seems.

    I wonder if Harper had some advance notice of those polls going into his meeting with the GG.

    By Anonymous Rob C, at 11:55 PM  

  • So, Anon, the break-up of Canada is what Harper had in mind all along, huh. Wow! What a leader!

    By Blogger Joseph, at 11:55 PM  

  • Never said that Joseph, but if that is the result Im not going to cry.

    Stop putting words in my mouth. Accept your loss, and try something intelligent for a new change.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:10 AM  

  • Who has perpetuated this rumour of Quebec within Canada?

    Ever since Trudeau and his night of the long knives Quebec has been longing to leave or negotiate special status within a country that they are a diminishing minority within.

    Without draconian laws assimilation would have doomed their separatist ambitions but we stand where we are and must move forward.

    We cut them loose and become a whole country without them.

    No more what would Quebec think, we could operate on our own without them. I live for the day.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:20 AM  

  • The Conservatives are at 53% in the nine provinces outside of Quebec according to a Globe story.
    So the voters don't actually think the Liberals are entitled to their entitlements?
    The Liberals now need a leader who wasn't connected to this mess. Copps? Rock? Tobin?

    By Blogger nuna d. above, at 12:43 AM  

  • I'll be just fine, Anon, and my intelligence far exceeds yours. But I appreciate your concern.

    Glad you won't be crying, but I'll be blaming Harper if the separatist movement reawakens as a result of Harper's demagoguery.

    And if it does, so will a lot of other Canadians. Then you'll rue the day some lame-ass poll showed a momentary blip in the flavour of the week leader.

    In short, you need to grow up and gain a greater perspective.

    By Blogger Joseph, at 12:43 AM  

  • I have something to report from Vancouver. Attended a coalition rally tonight.

    It was at the Vancouver Convention Centre! There was a large crowd (2,000+) of enthusiastic people singing and chanting. It was well organized. The audience sings the National Anthem almost with tears in their eyes.

    Was it a LDP event? No chance! It was a Labour-NDP event. Only Herb Dhaliwal represented the Liberals.

    Of course, the leftists are enthusiastic about the coalition. It's a promotion. The Liberals see it as a demotion. Can the Liberals overcome their history?

    The attendees get off to a roaring start. But, the crowd settles down quickly as the speakers repeat the old leftist mantras. Nothing new here!

    Stephane's message is broadcast. At first, there is a lot of sniggering. But, stephane draws sincere applause when he talks about national unity. But, he doesn't talk about how the coalition would improve the lives of ordinary Canadians.

    Good luck to stephane and the coalition. They will need it!

    Once again, poor leadership demonstrates the value of good leadership. A good leader-underdog changes the game, gives hope and rallies new players to the cause. When Oh When will the Liberals have another Trudeau or Obama!

    By Blogger JimTan, at 12:57 AM  

  • So, Anon, the break-up of Canada is what Harper had in mind all along, huh. Wow! What a leader!

    Well, if "Canada" had ever been a real and actual country, one with cohesion and unity, there would be nothing to break up.

    Alberta - Strong and Free (and eastern varmints may freeze to death).

    By Blogger Werner Patels, at 2:41 AM  

  • Werner, as a British Columbian I'm sick and tired of you whiny Albertans, and faux westerners like King Stephen trying to turn everything into an insult against "the West", with which you really mean Alberta. Grow up and get a life buddy because your completely insufferable.

    As for the polls, they aren't good. But anyone who would believe for a minute that Harper would get 46% of the vote is on some serious smack. Obviously his numbers will be good, because coalition strategy has been terrible so far, so it's not surprising. Dion, the alleged leader of the coalition, despite the content of his speech yet again looked terrible on Wednesday. If the Liberals are serious about this coalition, they'd get Bob Rae and Dominic LeBlanc to back down and support Michael Ignatieff, which would send the message to Dion that he's gotta go.

    Let's not think that Harper came out of this looking good. Canadians are pissed off at politicians left, right and centre. The only thing Harper has shown more of than the coalition leader, which is appealing to the average person, is backbone. He's shown no integrity, no charachter and no honesty. Once the coalition gets its act together and as he keeps his mouth open he's going to step even more in the proverbial "it." King Stephen has solidified the opposition against him from a partisan fringe, to a hard-core minority that is bound to grow. While admittedly I always "disapproved" of his leadership, I never "strongly disapproved" and was willing to grant that he made good moves on issues like Arctic Sovereignty and Income Trusts. So in all honesty, I couldn't care less whether he or a Liberal leader became Prime Minister. But this has gone beyond idelogy to who puts country first and follows the law. He's hasn't done the former, and has clearly abused the latter.

    So, back to the polls. Instability is bound to continue, seeing as these polls were taken before prorogation. When Canadians begin to grasp the dangers to our democracy of granting prorogation to a Prime Minister who is under imminent threat of loosing a vote of confidence, they're going regret the day they voted for King Stephen.

    By Anonymous Admiral Awesome, at 3:47 AM  

  • To Joseph and others,

    Please explain how a coalition supported by a seperatist party was promoting national unity.

    A coalition who refer to the people it intends to serve as "Canadians and Quebecers", is not a coalition that is good for Canada.

    If calling the Bloq Quebecois and their supporters "seperatists" hurt their feelings, so be it.

    Duceppe, a self-described uber democrat and believer in all things democratic refuses to accept the outcome of 3 referendums. Square that one.

    By Blogger Brian Grenya, at 3:49 AM  

  • I think everyone is missing the point and are quick to lay the blame for the low polling numbers at Dion's feet. While he is a terrible leader, my gut tells me the 46% number for the Tories and the 62% figure showing Canadians NOT supporting the coalition had little to do with Liberals and Dippers and everything to do with Canadians general distaste for separatists. If the Liberals are at 23% and the Dippers are at 13% it is BECAUSE of their willingness to form a government with separatists as their linchpin. Look, this is a divided country. What happened this week morphed into Canada's national pastime, a national unity crisis. It shed light on just how disunited this country truly is and until politicians of all stripes are prepared to work toward our commonality, national unity will still be lingering in the shadows, waiting yet again to rear it's ugly head.

    Make no mistake: that we are disunited as a nation represents a failure on the part of not only the retards in Ottawa, but of all Canadians.

    By Blogger The Grumpy Voter, at 6:23 AM  

  • why do we follow these crooked pollster...they are all run by crooked conservatives who dont know what the truth is...we have to join together to get rid of these bastards before they turn us into a third world country...ignore their polls..where do they poll in Edmonton.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:05 AM  

  • Further to Brian's question, please explain how refusing to work with the government is cooperation, consensus and compromise.

    When you can work harder to find common ground with a separatist opposition party than with the government, I don't see you as having the higher moral ground.

    Paul Martin asked the House to wait for the results of the Gomery Inquiry before acting. Harper was only asking to wait a month or two for a budget, and removed all the questionable points from the fiscal update in the meantime. Did the Coalition budge even an INCH during this entire crisis? NO.

    Don't get me wrong, Harper is no saint. Don't put me in the unenviable position of defending his partisan, conniving, dishonest attempts to hold power. But some of you are putting yourselves in the unenviable position of defending the Coalition's partisan, conniving and dishonest attempts to gain power. So do it!

    By Blogger Robert Vollman, at 10:22 AM  

  • This country is NOT in a unity crisis.
    The shameless power grab by the coalition UNITED the country.

    ''The biggest rejection of the coalition came from
    Alberta and Ontario,
    where 72% and 66%
    of respondents respectively said that the Conservatives should continue to govern the country.''

    These is a Conservative movement happening, Ontario is on board.

    By Blogger wilson, at 10:57 AM  

  • RE: wilson

    "These is a Conservative movement happening, Ontario is on board."

    Well or most Canadians aren't hardcore political junkies and were completely caught off guard by even the idea of a coalition government.

    I'm sure the 100% BS being spouted by the Conservative party didn't help things much.

    If the coalition can show that it is pushing policy that appeals to most of the people in this country... that Conservative lead might evaporate completely.

    By Blogger MERBOY, at 2:03 PM  

  • Please explain how a coalition supported by a seperatist party was promoting national unity.

    A coalition who refer to the people it intends to serve as "Canadians and Quebecers", is not a coalition that is good for Canada.

    I agree.

    By Blogger Bo Green, at 2:06 PM  

  • Wow! After all his bad pres, Dion STILL gets 34% verses Harper with 47% on the economy! What does that tell you about Harper! His career is almost over! Just think what will happen when he tries to negotiate with foreign leaders over the next month: "...ummm, actually, we think we will wait to talk with you in February."

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:08 PM  

  • I was called by a pollster on Wednesday night. The first question was do you agree, strongly agree, disagree, etc. with the following: Do you support the coalition of the Liberals, NDP and Bloc. To which I pounced on the questioner -- that is not a true question. The Bloc supports the coalition made up of Liberals and NDP. The lady immediately changed how she delivered the remainder of her quesitons to me. If this was how the question was posed to everyone else, how many corrected her, and more importantly, was this quesiton phrased in order to get the answer the pollster wanted. and in answer to Mr. Patels -- I am an Eastern varmint from N. S. I appreciate your telling me you hope I freeze to death. Thanks much. Have a nice day Mr. Patels. S. McCabe, Truro, N. S. Canada

    By Anonymous SMCg, at 5:31 PM  

  • "The Bloc supports the coalition made up of Liberals and NDP."

    That is not what the letter to the governor-general suggests.

    "Today we respectfully inform the Governor General that, as soon as the appropriate opportunity arises, she should call on the Leader of the Official Opposition to form a new government, supported as set out in the accompanying accords by all three of our parties."

    You cannot have it both ways. Either the Bloc is in the government and you have a majority of parliament, or it is not and you have the weakest government in Canadian history with only 37% of seats (one which Jean might credibly reason cannot govern).

    By Blogger hosertohoosier, at 1:21 AM  

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