Wednesday, February 27, 2008

Blast from the Past

Chuck Cadman - there's a name we haven't heard in a while. In a time warp back to one of the most exciting and bizarre weeks in the history of Parliament, a new book ads to the insanity that was May 2005:

The widow of former B.C. MP Chuck Cadman says two Conservative Party officials offered her husband a million-dollar life insurance policy in exchange for his vote to bring down the Liberal government in May of 2005.

Unlike Mr. Grewal, Chuck Cadman wasn't in the habit of taping his private conversations so there's no firm proof, but Harper's comments in the book are...to put it midly...interesting. It certainly sounds like he was fully aware of the gist of the meeting, if not the specifics:

"Of the offer to Chuck," [journalist Tom Zytaruk] quotes Mr. Harper as saying, "it was only to replace financial considerations he might lose due to an election, okay. That's my understanding of what they were talking about.

"I don't know the details," he said. "I can tell you that I had told the individuals — I mean, they wanted to do it — but I told them they were wasting their time. I said Chuck had made up his mind he was going to vote with the Liberals. I knew why, and I respected the decision, but they were just, they were convinced there was, there was financial issues and, there may or may not.

"They were legitimately representing the party," Mr. Harper confirmed. "I said 'Don't press him, I mean, you have this theory that it's, you know, financial insecurity, and you know, just, you know, if that's what you say make the case,' but I said 'Don't press it.'."

A million dollar bribe sure sounds sexy but even minor compensation for "financial insecurity" in exchange for a vote would be blatantly illegal. And is Harper going to be able to come out and say that one of his own candidates is a liar? I'm not sure this will go anywhere but you can be sure that Harper will be answering some uncomfortable questions in the coming days.

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35 Comments:

  • Sick and illegal. The RCMP should be called in immediately and the Prime Minister should be the first person they queston.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:42 PM  

  • Not surprising. The American cousins of the CPC have been ruthless, deceitful and amoral.

    One GOP operative said that Carl Rove hinted to her to get compromising photos of the former Alabama governer.

    By Blogger JimTan, at 2:36 AM  

  • Sigh, corruption all around. You'd think that a party which started as a grassroots populist movement would be at least a bit of an improvement over the established parties in this regard, but I guess they sold their souls to become the government.

    By Anonymous V, at 4:19 AM  

  • Doesn't anyone else find it odd that Chuck Cadman was offended by the Tory bribe, and yet his wife nonetheless decides to join the Tories anyway? Doesn't this raise some peculiar questions? Doesn't this cast doubts on the whole incident?

    If my spouse was in the same position as Chuck Cadman, my logical conclusion would not be "gee, maybe I should join the party that deeply offended my spouse..."

    By Blogger Mike, at 8:20 AM  

  • Wouldn't be surprised if Chuck was shown all the benefits , which includes life insurance, of Tory MPs (vs Independent), to join the Party.

    But, that isn't juicy enough to sell a book.

    I feel bad for Dona. She loses her son and husband, and doesn't need this kind of gut wrenching gossip.
    But I'm sure that if Libs think they can smear PMSH, they will be in hot pursuit.

    By Blogger wilson, at 9:22 AM  

  • Doesn't anyone else find it odd that Chuck Cadman was offended by the Tory bribe, and yet his wife nonetheless decides to join the Tories anyway? Doesn't this raise some peculiar questions? Doesn't this cast doubts on the whole incident?

    Maybe she joined the Tories because she agrees with their overall agenda, despite the offence. Heck, that's why a lot of Liberals stay in their party, or Republicans stay in despite Bush.

    By Blogger toujoursdan, at 10:32 AM  

  • to wilson... his wife is talking to the media about this, don't try to paint this as a liberal smear

    Dona Cadman, who is now running for the Conservatives in the Vancouver-area riding of Surrey North, was not in the office at the time. But she says her husband was furious when he returned to their apartment. "Chuck was really insulted," she said in a telephone interview with The Globe yesterday. "He was quite mad about it, thinking they could bribe him with that."

    By Blogger m5slib, at 10:58 AM  

  • well this should help sell a lot of books.

    No coincidence about the "scandal" breaking the day the book is released.

    Why didn't Chuck come forward sooner ?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:22 PM  

  • to all those asking chuck to come out sooner... i think he had some more important things on his mind.. and of course the author wouldn't introduce this b4 his book comes out.. it would kill his sales. still, who knows if this is true.. but we should find out

    By Blogger m5slib, at 2:35 PM  

  • Check out the article. Dona Cadman even approved the transcript of the book.
    The Conservatives are caught.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080228.wcadman0228/BNStory/National/home?cid=al_gam_mostview

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:11 PM  

  • Hi Bart,

    Methinks it's time to check the life insurance tables. What would the premium be for a $1 million policy for a terminally ill cancer patient? I think the first payment would come to $1.1 million.

    $1 million certainly has a sexy ring to it and it does grab the headlines, but it doesn't really pass the likelihood test. What seems more likely was that there may have been some detailed discussions about retiring Chuck's campaign debt from the 2004 election if he came back to the Tories.

    We part company about whether or not this would be improper because, after all, political parties are in the business of paying campaign expenses for their members, especially elected members. They pretty much exist for precisely that purpose (to put a not-to-jaundiced spin on things). Is it possible that we are entering "comfy fur" territory here? We might very well be doing just that.

    I see that the House Ethics Committee wants to looks into the whole matter. That seems a good idea. I look forward to Pablo Rodrigues questioning Belinda about what Paul Martin whispered to her across the table at their nocturnal dinner. It seems as good a place as any to start. After all, comfy fur is comfy fur.

    Do me a favour, buy a copy and let us know whether or not the story has much credibility, or if its just a teaser to kick off the book launch. From where I'm sitting, the latter seems the more likely case.

    Cheers

    HC

    By Blogger herringchoker, at 3:57 PM  

  • which Insurance company would offer a life policy on a dying man ??

    Inquiring minds want to know ?

    Something very fishy going on, but it is great free publicity for the book launch.

    By Blogger Fred -, at 5:17 PM  

  • "We part company about whether or not this would be improper because, after all, political parties are in the business of paying campaign expenses for their members, especially elected members. They pretty much exist for precisely that purpose (to put a not-to-jaundiced spin on things). Is it possible that we are entering "comfy fur" territory here? We might very well be doing just that."

    Just a coincidence, of course, that they approached him, not after his election but in the midst of a gear up for a confidence vote.

    And Harper's quotations make it seem pretty clear that it was not the party helping out this independent, but the party trying to get him to vote a certain way.

    And I'm pretty sure there's something somewhere about this sort of behaviour. I can’t quite put my finger on it now but there’s got to be some sort of old boring rrule in the books about elected officials offering money for a vote.

    Maybe Harper can ask the last Conservative Prime Minister. Maybe he knows what it might be.

    By Anonymous Ted, at 5:48 PM  

  • Yeah, good points all around. There are to very good questions that raise doubt on this:

    1. How would they get Cadman a life insurance policy if he was terminally ill? That doesn't make much sense.

    2. Why did his wife still decide to run for the Tories?

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 7:41 PM  

  • To answer anonymous's questions, Chuck did not come forward sooner cause he is dead.

    Hope that helps..

    Sincerely,
    Captain Obvious

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:55 PM  

  • Wow, the election hasn't even been called and Penny Priddy has already been re-elected!

    By Blogger Reality Bites, at 8:16 PM  

  • Isn't there a budget that has to be vetted through Parliament in the next few days? Wow! The Liberals use Question Period to raise issues involving what was or wasn't said to a dead man knowing full well that no one can get to the bottom of it. All to change the subject - they don't want to talk about the budget. I'm sure Cadman's wife is grateful to Liberals. Seriously, the sleaze is with the opposition on this. Stephane Dion - just when you thought it couldn't get worse.

    By Anonymous blue liberal, at 8:33 PM  

  • As a matter of fact, you can get life insurance if you are terminally ill... if you already have a group life insurance.

    It happened with a close friend of mine very recently in fact. He was diagnosed with terminal cancer, but he had a group policy with his work and was able to increase the option coverage despite the diagnosis. With a group term policy a medical is not required and there is a maximum amount to which you can increase it, but it can be done.

    By Anonymous Ted, at 12:07 AM  

  • Doesn't stop you from passing along this sleaze does it? Typical.

    By Blogger David, at 2:25 AM  

  • Unquote

    In an interview with CBC News Thursday, Cadman's daughter, Jodi, corroborated her mother's story, saying her father discussed the offer with her and her mother because he couldn't talk about it publicly.

    "He just said 'I have something to tell you,' and he told me that he was offered a life insurance policy, that my mom and myself would be taken care of," she told CBC News in Vancouver on Thursday.

    "When he told me, actually I have to admit I burst into tears because the position he was put in," she added, noting it was hard for him to turn down something that would have benefited his family.

    Unquote

    By Blogger JimTan, at 3:01 AM  

  • Knowing that Harper got a free ride on his involvement in the Grewal tape scandal, it all seems quite connect-the-dots when it comes to an ethically challenged so-called Leader. Of course, when its something untowards and nasty, ol' I'm King of the World Harper is mr. 'I know Nuthing!', a literal Sargeant Schultz of the SS CON team. Every other thing he's got his finger on the pulse and hand on the rope.
    If the author had been able to identify the two CONs who approached Cadman, that would have gone a long way to legitimize this accusation, altho with members of Cadman's family stepping forward there seems to be plenty of corroboration for at least an inquiry. Funny how John Reynolds is now pulling choice quotes from Mark McGwire 'I'm no longer in politics, I don't comment etc'... And with Harper having paid off candidates to disappear, swapped funds in a magical mystery tour-ish manner, all things ethically challenged, I guess the Wilson-types here can't smell the stink because it becomes them...
    Just how desperate are you to run Canada into the ground, Wilson?

    By Blogger burlivespipe, at 5:01 AM  

  • The Liberal Party of Canada funelled millions of dollars of taxpayer's money back into Liberal party coffers: that was adscam and was done under STEPHANE DION'S watch although even though he was a QUEBEC CABINET MINISTER during that period claims he knew nothing.

    I know the Liberals are doing their best under Dion's weak leadership to try the old, "See we're not the only ones who are corrupt" but it won't work, barring Conservative malfeasance to rival the Liberal variety. The latter will be hard to beat because the main cause of the theft was the arrogance of the LIBERAL PARTY in equating their party with the GOVERNMENT. Until that arrogance is wrung out of them, they'll never be quite fit to govern.

    By Anonymous andrew, at 6:40 AM  

  • Hey Andrew - you're really pathetic. We're not talking about Liberals right now, we're talking about Conservatives - a party that despite its relatively brief turns at the helm, under both Mulroney and Harper has demonstrated that Liberals are mere amateurs when it comes to sleaze. Now unless you have something to say about THIS issue, why don't you STFU?

    By Blogger Reality Bites, at 6:58 AM  

  • I still think Bart's two questions are good ones.

    The thing that I wonder about is how can a terminally-ill person get a million-dollar life insurance policy? The premiums on that would have been HUGE - if it were even possible to get one!

    Having just gone through a similar process with getting insurance for my father, I just cannot believe that this was the offer that was made.

    Something very odd going on here...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:44 AM  

  • "The premiums on that would have been HUGE - if it were even possible to get one!"

    What's the problem? Cadman wouldn't be paying the premium.

    It would be possible for a CPC supporter to write the policy through his business.

    Is a million dollars a cheap price to win the government of Canada?

    By Blogger JimTan, at 12:23 PM  

  • If this story is true -- and that looks very plausible due to what the Cadmans are saying, and Harper being caught on tape -- how could Harper survive? This is far worse corruption than anything the Liberals have ever been accused of. I don't see how blatantly bribing an MP couldn't become a huge story.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:39 PM  

  • It*s impossible. An impossible offer as anyone in insurance knows.

    If a Million$ policy is offered, there can be no hint of any cancer problem, otherwise it would be fraud.

    A claim would never be paid upon discovery.
    ==================== Nat. Post

    This is POSSIBLE, however.

    The National Post has been ordered to hand over secret documents at the heart of conflict-of-interest allegations involving former prime minister Jean Chrétien.

    The Ontario Court of Appeal has overturned an earlier decision quashing an RCMP search warrant issued against the Post and investigative reporter Andrew McIntosh.

    The Business Development Bank of Canada document suggested an inn in Chrétien's riding owed his company money in 1997 while he was lobbying the bank to grant the inn a loan.

    The Appeals Court ruled today that the document, which police believe to be a forgery, is an essential part of their investigation into a potentially serious crime.

    cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/29/post-appeal.html

    ============== CBC / Nat. Post
    = TG

    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 4:30 PM  

  • “It*s impossible. An impossible offer as anyone in insurance knows.”

    Great! Then harper should welcome an investigation and inquiry.

    “This is POSSIBLE, however…”

    Cool! There will be three PMs under investigation. The conservative ex-PM is under investigation for receiving bribes. The current conservative PM is under investigation for offering a bribe. Perfect!

    By Blogger JimTan, at 6:24 PM  

  • jimtan:

    How does it feel to be a member of a party whose sole purpose of existence is to pedal scandal?

    No policy ideas. No vision. No leadership. No fortitute to actually oppose the government. When it comes to actual matters of governance, debate, and democracy, you Liberals are curiously absent, if not totally out to lunch.

    But when the whiff of scandal is detected, every single one of you start hyperventilating and shift in to overdrive smear mode.

    It's embarassing for you. But who better than a Liberal to define a scandal?

    I am not defending Conservatives, here, but there are many question thats need answering before your amateurish partisan bluster is anything near warranted.

    By Blogger sir john a., at 9:27 AM  

  • Hey "sir john a," aren't you supposed to be an impartial journalist?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:20 AM  

  • “How does it feel to be a member of a party whose sole purpose of existence is to pedal scandal?”

    Doesn’t sound like an unbiased journalist. Sounds like the worst kind of tabloid journalism.

    I point out that dion had a green agenda. It is unfortunate that dion has proven incompetent. I hope that the party will rectify its mistake. BTW, I supported dion’s leadership bid, and I’m willing to admit that I made a mistake.

    Please note that I am in favour of an investigation into Chretien if there is a credible complainant. I am biased! Biased in favor of good governments, proper conduct and honourable men.

    I remind you of the LPC’s economic record. It was the party that passed the ‘gay marriage' bill. The Liberals continue to oppose this kind of conservative freedom:

    Artists call Tory plan to vet films 'censorship'
    Thursday, February 28, 2008
    CBC News

    A new bill that would give the federal Heritage Department the power to deny funding for films and TV shows it considers offensive is creating shock waves in the industry.

    Changes now before the Senate to the Income Tax Act that would allow the federal government to cancel tax credits for projects thought to be offensive or not in the public interest. The amendments have already been passed in the House of Commons.

    The amendment to Bill C-10 would allow the Heritage Minister to deny tax credits for Canadian productions, even if federal agencies such as Telefilm and the Canadian Television Fund have invested in the production.

    Representatives from the Heritage and Justice departments would determine which productions are unsuitable and therefore ineligible for tax cuts.

    (Over to Sir John. What is your unbiased position on this issue?)

    By Blogger JimTan, at 1:05 PM  

  • jimtan:

    I don't know the point of your last post, but I take it that you meant it to show how strong the Liberals are on ideas and policy.

    It means nothing if they continue to muddle through debate on matters before the House like they have.

    As far as being unbiased? Well ... nothing I'm saying hasn't already been said by dozens of "unbiased" commentators and columnists already.

    Me saying the Liberals haven't provided much of an opposition isn't bias. It's fact.

    As a Canadian, I value democracy, debate, and a functional system of governance. What the Liberals are peddling these days as such is appalling, and that's what I find offensive.

    By Blogger sir john a., at 1:18 PM  

  • “What the Liberals are peddling these days as such is appalling, and that's what I find offensive.”

    Yes! This has not been a good year for the LPC and dion. That’s why I support his replacement. Every organization has bad days. It doesn’t justify a statement like this:

    “How does it feel to be a member of a party whose sole purpose of existence is to pedal scandal?”

    It’s clearly wrong, and insulting to the members who are not corrupt or incompetent. I’ll gladly listen to you if you have any realistic solutions. Otherwise, leave the dirt at home.

    By Blogger JimTan, at 10:37 PM  

  • purpose of existence is to pedal scandal?”

    It’s clearly wrong, and insulting to the members who are not corrupt or incompetent. I’ll gladly listen to you if you have any realistic solutions. Otherwise, leave the dirt at home.


    Even worse, it's grammatically incorrect. Peddle scandal, pedal a bicycle.

    By Blogger Möbius, at 5:54 PM  

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