Sunday, May 27, 2007

Free Alberta

Since fringe parties and fringe movements are one of my personal political interests, I was, of course, overjoyed to come across the Free Alberta website. While I'm hesitant to direct any traffic to their site and boost their google ad revenue, there are just too many great things on this website to pass up posting a link. Among the highlights:

-You'll learn lots of interesting facts. For example, did you know that none of Alberta's elected Senators have ever been appointed to the Senate? Did you know that mad cow disease was caused by federal government protectionism? Did you know global warming isn't real?

-Alberta suffers from "taxation without representation". Why? Because the province is not as populated as Ontario or Quebec so they get less seats than them in the House.

-In the history section you'll learn about historical grievances (like the NEP), Pierre Elliott Trudeau (who brought in the NEP), the history of secession (due to the NEP), guessed it...the NEP!

-In the debt section, you'll learn that Alberta's wealth is not due to oil. Why is this? Because even when oil prices were low in 1999, Alberta didn't have a deficit. And, because Don Getty ran up deficits, it proves that Alberta's wealth is not because of oil.

-One reason Albertans should separate is because cruelty to animal legislation may make it illegal to shoot rats at the Alberta border. Another reason? Because a bill which proposes to make hate speech illegal.

-Gun ownership is a "right" in Canada. Why? Because "firearms are property, and ownership of firearms is no different than ownership of other property".

-We need to have an elected Senate! However, a "Triple E Senate will not protect Albertans from Ottawa".

-In the polls section, you can vote on the currency of a future independent Alberta. Among the options: Euro, Gold, Swiss Franc, or commodity basket.

-These guys have a huge man-crush on Colby Cosh.

(hat tip to the blog I saw this on two weeks ago...but, alas, forget which one it was)



  • -Alberta suffers from "taxation without representation". Why? Because the province is not as populated as Ontario or Quebec so they get less seats than them in the House.

    I'd think there's enough problems with the site that you wouldn't have to misrepresent them. Their beef here isn't that Alberta gets fewer total seats than Quebec, it's that we get fewer per capita.

    (When the 2006 census results came out, I did an analysis of which provinces were over- and under-represented, and by how much.)

    By Blogger The Invisible Hand, at 8:36 PM  

  • On the other hand, Saskatchewan is more overrepresented than, say, Nova Scotia, given that it has three more seats but only about 50,000 more people.

    Anyway, Alberta better not separate before the end of the month - I don't want to have to apply for a VISA when I come to Edmonton next week.

    By Blogger Josh Gould, at 8:51 PM  

  • Because "firearms are property, and ownership of firearms is no different than ownership of other property".

    Um. Someone really ought to tell these folks that there's no mandated right to property ownership in Canada...that's that other country.

    By Blogger Idealistic Pragmatist, at 9:07 PM  

  • They seem to be aware of that, but consider it a right anyway. They also blame the absence of said right on Trudeau, despite the fact that Pierre wanted to include that in the Charter, but the provinces (and other interests) talked him out of it.

    By Blogger IslandLiberal, at 9:30 PM  

  • By Blogger alex, at 11:13 PM  

  • CRTC?

    That can't be the same CRTC that makes it easier for Corus Radio to let Dave Rutherford inflict himself on Albertans than broadcast the Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones shows that Rutherford listeners really want to hear.

    Yeah, I'd quit Confederation to shut up Rutherford.

    By Blogger CfSR, at 11:54 PM  

  • I believe that Alberta - and others - truly are underrepresented in the House, and that this has got to be fixed. (I don't think Harper's proposed solution is the winner) The system we use isn't fair.

    (However, "taxation without representation" is of course a stretch. This isn't a monarchy, and "taxation with under-representation" would make more sense. These people are silly, you're right)

    By Blogger Jason Bo Green, at 11:57 PM  

  • invisible said

    "When the 2006 census results came out, I did an analysis of which provinces were over- and under-represented, and by how much"

    Well Done!

    By Blogger JimTan, at 1:35 AM  

  • I never knew that the House of Commons had any role in representing the provinces (I still don't think it does, despite the thread here). To me, the Invisible Hand's table shows that provinces where there are the biggest cities are underreprsented. This would be due mainly to Canadian geography. I would imagine the same applies within provinces, for example, Iles de la Madeleine QC, with a very small population, has its own MNA because of that isolated island’s very unique needs. Maybe it takes obsessive separatists, Québécois or others, to believe that Nunavut has a seat in the House for the purpose of weakening a province. Should we deny Inuit representation in the House? As I said, I always thought that these MPs are sent to Ottawa to represent the interests of the citizens of their ridings - not their provinces.

    By Blogger loraine lamontagne, at 6:41 AM  

  • Just a hunch here - I don't think Loraine "gets" this one.

    By Blogger Jason Bo Green, at 9:00 AM  

  • What I get is that a lot of politicking is being done to pit one province against another when the differences in representation seem to reflect the urban vs rural reality of Canada.

    By Blogger loraine lamontagne, at 10:26 AM  

  • If you think the site is funny, get a load of the clown listed as their media contact ("legalized violence is fun").

    By Blogger Raymaker, at 10:30 AM  

  • Thank you, CG, for shining a bit of light on these political eccentrics (that's the kindest term I can think of).

    By Blogger Brian in Calgary, at 12:01 PM  

  • Fewer seats! Alberta gets fewer seats!

    By Blogger WJM, at 12:44 PM  

  • I don't want to have to apply for a VISA when I come to Edmonton next week.

    Why would you need a credit card?

    By Blogger WJM, at 12:44 PM  

  • "Albertans are more individualistic than Canadians, which likely was the result of the self-reliance required by Alberta’s pioneers."

    Ya think? Or maybe its something in the water....bloody delusional twits. That they then work their way around to claiming multiculturalism is some sort of hardship on Alberta by the end of this paragraph is just, well, sad and more than a little frightening.

    (and for the record, I live here!)

    By Blogger Ian, at 1:56 PM  

  • jason

    "Just a hunch here - I don't think Loraine "gets" this one."

    I think that Loraine makes a fair point. Is there a provincial issue?

    The big question is this! Does it matter to Alberta to have 4 more seats, if Ontario gets 14 more?

    By Blogger JimTan, at 3:36 PM  

  • And this site is what, indicative of the weirdest stuff you've found on the Internet? C'mon. You can do better: there are plenty of liberal (small-l) sites out of the States which, for example, promote the "9/11 Conspiracy" theories. Canada has its comparables, too.

    By Blogger paul.obeda@, at 5:19 PM  

  • In 1978 Calgary, my grade 8 social studies teacher, Mr. Belcourt, spent time discussing the advantages of creating a nation of prairie provinces called Alsaskman.

    In 1981 Calgary, as a grade 11 student, I attended a packed to the rafters convention room (500+, over 95% were over 40 and male) where the speaker discussed the "Western Canada Concept".

    The good thing about Alberta today vs. Alberta 25 years ago is that there are too many new Albertans (from other regions of Canada) that would never vote for an independent Alberta.

    By Blogger MississaugaPeter, at 5:51 PM  

  • This seems more like conservative grievances than Alberta ones. Even here in Ontario, many conservatives hold similiar grievances while most liberals in Alberta probably agree with most of the policies they say are bad. Maybe they should realize they are aiming at the wrong target since as long as most Canadians and Albertans endorse those policies they aren't going anywhere. Off course I support the majority of policies on there anyways (and I mean the ones we have now, not the ones they advocate).

    By Blogger Miles Lunn, at 5:28 PM  

  • The best thing about that proposal, peter, is that name. "Alsaskman" would be an amazing name for a country.

    Sadly, as I've still never seen any legal justification for Alberta's seperation from Canada that couldn't also apply to, say, Fort McMurray's seperation from Alberta--or Calgrit's for that matter--I sincerely doubt that it'll happen.

    By Blogger Demosthenes, at 5:32 PM  

  • (Hmm... aside from the Clarity act, admittedly. But that just gives the go-ahead for negotiations if a referendum gave a clear majority. It does not grant the right to unilateral seperation, which is what these FreeBerta people appear to be on about. And nobody's asked the "so who else can secede?" question, so I'm still not sure why Alberta can secede, and Moose Jaw couldn't.)

    By Blogger Demosthenes, at 5:38 PM  

  • Demosthenes, your obviously not from Alberta (or you really do not know your own Provence).
    Nobody would want to remove parts of Alberta to rejoin Canada, why, all the people who think that we need big brother running our province moved out during the Klien revolution.
    As stated by the Federal Lieberal party "Those people from Alberta, they are not like the rest of canada"

    By Blogger Bill, at 5:34 PM  

  • However, Saskatchewan is actually much more overrepresented compared to, state, Nova Scotia, considering the fact that it's 3 much more chairs however no more than 50, 000 much more individuals.

    Anyhow, Alberta do not individual prior to the finish from the 30 days -- We do not want in order to obtain a VISA after i arrived at Edmonton in a few days.

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