Thursday, September 14, 2006

It's not easy being green

If I were running for Liberal leadership under an environmental platform, having been the Environment Minister responsible for the Liberal Party's Kyoto plan, I can't think of a worse possible thing to hit the presses the day before delegate selection meetings start.

Admittedly, Sheila Fraser won't be winning too many popularity contests among Liberals anytime soon, but if this report is damning (and when isn't an AG's report damning), it's certainly miserable timing for the Dion campaign.

And really good timing for Harper who will be conveniently releasing his environmental plan around the same time.

18 Comments:

  • Remind me again why we should trust you guys on the environment?

    By Blogger greeen party voter, at 1:33 PM  

  • Explain to me why anyone should trust the Green Party on anything.

    By Blogger Reality Bites, at 2:19 PM  

  • That sucks for Dion - I'm not sure how right I am on this, but I blame Martin and Chretien more for environmental inaction than I do Anderson or Dion. But, I'll wait for the report before I say anything.

    It is bad timing for a very fine candidate, though, you are right.

    By Blogger Jason Bo Green, at 2:35 PM  

  • Well, if he was the Environment Minister at the time....he deserves whatever grief he was responsible for creating. That's called accountability, and if someone who wants to be the leader of a major party isn't ready to accept that duty, then he isn't ready to be the leader. No sympathy here.


    As for Harper's environmental plan.....you are aware of course he's been telling us for months when his report was coming out right? Well....he's kept his word again. Timing is pretty good that's for sure, but one thing's for sure (and you grits know it)...Harper's plan will not only be comprehensive and well thought out.....it will also achieve some results, which is far more than can be said for anything the Former Liberal Government could ever claim.

    Once more, we will have an example of real substance (that being Harper's policies) over pipe dreams that Liberals like to feed off of.

    Better to actually accomplish something and NOT get the credit for it...than NOT DO A DAMN THING and have every one give you credit for actually doing something. When the LIberals figure that out...maybe Canadians will start to take them seriously again.

    By Blogger James Halifax, at 5:04 PM  

  • "Explain to me why anyone should trust the Green Party on anything."

    We've never once enacted an environmental policy that went against what we said we're going to do! :)

    By Blogger greeen party voter, at 6:26 PM  

  • I am going to wait and see what is in the report before passing judgement. It already appears most of it happened under David Anderson's watch so if Dion took at least some steps to clean it up than I don't think he should be blamed. But if he know about it and did nothing, then that is a whole different story. I am sure the Conservatives are happy about this though, since Stephane Dion is probably the candidate they fear facing the most, and even now I still think he could beat Harper.

    By Blogger Miles Lunn, at 7:07 PM  

  • James, if only Harper had kept his word on such things as not appointing senators, not having unelected cabinet ministers, not letting staffers leave directly for lobbying, reviewing the leaky condo scandal, lowering the tax on gasoline, and so on, and so on...Yeah, he's a real good word keeper.

    By Blogger A BCer in Toronto, at 7:33 PM  

  • We've never once enacted an environmental policy that went against what we said we're going to do! :)

    You know, you could have stopped at "We've never once enacted an environmental policy" and been just as accurate.

    By Blogger Reality Bites, at 7:46 PM  

  • "You know, you could have stopped at "We've never once enacted an environmental policy" and been just as accurate."

    Wow.. nothing gets by you!

    By Blogger greeen party voter, at 10:42 PM  

  • Harper's plan will not only be comprehensive and well thought out.....it will also achieve some results, which is far more than can be said for anything the Former Liberal Government could ever claim.

    I really, really am optimistic about that, and very much hope so, but I for one do not "know" that. Can't wait to see it when it comes out, though.

    I'm probably going to vote Green this time around, though. The NDP sucks, and it's time for a new third party (he said, believing his ONE vote would create this new third party!)

    By Blogger Jason Bo Green, at 11:10 PM  

  • If I was Dion, I would change the subject by announcing something controversial or saying something controversial (e.g, calling Ignatieff the second comming of post 911 Tony Blair). I would love it if the candidates moved off the four 3 ks (Kids, Kyoto and Kelowna). Besides running on the same platform they lost on back in Jan is not a good idea.

    By Blogger Koby, at 11:32 PM  

  • "Wow.. nothing gets by you! "

    Best comeback of the day goes to GPV.

    I imagine Martin and Chretien will take most of the blame for the "scathing" AG report. People tend to pay a lot more attention to some of the other ministers (Prime, Finance, Defence) than they do to the environment minister anyway. Bad news for Dion, but not an overwhelming setback.

    By Blogger Psychols, at 12:17 AM  

  • CG: Can't help but notice your lack of a post on evening of the first substantive leadership poll.

    Thoughts:
    I love how Dion's people have been spinning for three months how strong he is across canada. I have been waiting for a poll like this to show the truth- that he is a middling candidate at best and that we'd likely have less seats after an election with him a leader. I have been saying from day one that blogs can't wag the dog. People get all excited when some press gallery reporter writes about your guy being a front runner. One thing the people who have worked on the Hill and dealt with the gallery for years know is that they are almost always wrong. Iggy is the front runner because smitty and a bunch of MPs piled on early. Wrong. Kennedy is the next trudeau. Well nobody seems to know who he is and those who know don't support him even in his home province where he had the most visible portfolio in government.
    I for one am glad that this poll has come out with such a large sample. THe party will now have to confront the elephant in the room. Rae can't win in Ontario with 43% against him, Iggy is oversold, DIon is weak in the rest of Canada, Brison is stuck in the middle and loses a chuck of the middle for party flipping.

    The party should wisen up and vote for Dryden. He's clearly the only one that can win everywhere and bring in NDP and COnservative votes. To argue otherwise is self interest and we need to put the party first before Harper ruins the place.

    By Blogger Put the Party first, at 12:27 AM  

  • put the party first; Herle's poll is interesting...I may comment on it tomorrow (although I did say from the start of this race that I wouldn't comment on any of these fictional polls because I hate them).

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 1:52 AM  

  • If one wanted to be nasty, and bring up old battles, one might notice with some curiosity that the poll was conducted by David Herle and comes out on the same day that the Globe and Mail quotes Scott Reid as saying β€œI think he's more prophet than politician,” and β€œHe says things that are insightful and leaves an impression with people. He writes with a poet's pen as well. He is definitely a politician of a different breed.”

    One of those things that make you go "Hmmmmm".

    By Blogger Rank & File Liberal, at 6:49 AM  

  • You know that May won the Green leadership with less than 2000 votes (no delegtes, one member-one vote system). That means that a well-coordinated blog campaign could effectively take over the Green Party at the next leadership review. Imagine a party that was:

    1. Focussed on the environment
    2. Shifted tax from income earners to consumers
    3. Socially liberal
    4. Fiscally hard ass
    5. Strong on defence and foreign policy
    6. Unbeholden to the usual special interest groups

    I'm light-headed just thinking about it....

    By Blogger Scott in Ottawa, at 9:18 AM  

  • BCer wrote:
    "James, if only Harper had kept his word on such things as not appointing senators, not having unelected cabinet ministers, not letting staffers leave directly for lobbying, reviewing the leaky condo scandal, lowering the tax on gasoline, and so on, and so on...Yeah, he's a real good word keeper. "

    Well BC'er, if you paid as much attention to what Harper has actually said, and less attention to what you THINK he said, then you could avoid looking like a duffus in the future.

    You'll notice Harper appointed a Senator who will RUN IN AN ELECTION in two years or so.....and his appointment to cabinet was not an exchange of favours (as Liberals are wont to do), it was used to get representation of the cities in cabinet.
    As for the lobbyists, perhaps you should go back and read the actually policy and who it applies to and you can see you are wrong again.......
    As for the leaky condo scandal...I don't recall Harper building any Condo's, and please tell me again how long they have been an issue...particulary here in BC?
    As for the lowering of taxes on Gasoline...you'll notice the GST cut, and you'll have to wait for a Conservative Majority before any BIG tax cuts come out.

    Again BC'er, pay attention to what Harper actually says and does...and less to what you want him to say or do, or in your case, not say and not do.


    So if you want to hold harper accountable for keeping his "word" then you should take the time to actually find out what he said, and stop putting words into his mouth. Frankly, Liberals have enough to do trying to keep track of their own lies.....let alone trying to confer lies to someone else.

    Though...I'm sure you've been a Liberal long enough that you no longer have the ability to seperate your lies from the truth. Good luck though.

    By Blogger James Halifax, at 2:42 PM  

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