Wednesday, March 29, 2006

The Race for Stornoway: Joe...Volpe!

There's certainly been some selective reading on my first few leadership posts. After calling the IT scandal the "kiss of death" for Scott Brison, I got comments like "you're right, the Income Trust stuff will blow over". After my Ignatieff post which I concluded with "the reward isn't worth the risk", two or three blogs announced that I had endorsed the guy.

So let me be perfectly clear on this post: I, in no way, shape or form, will not now or ever, endorse Joe Volpe as leader of the Liberal Party of Canada. I just want to be very, very clear about this, so to avoid any confusion.

That said, let's jump in:

"If you were running for mayor, he'd vote for you."
-Mayor Quimby Election Slogan

Age: 58

Background: Born September 21st, 1947 in Italy. His pre-political background is mostly in education.

Political History: Volpe ran provincially in 1981, but lost. He's a former President of the Ontario Liberal Party. Was elected as an MP in 1988 and supported Paul for leadership in 1990….and 1999…and 2000…and get the picture. Became Minister of Human Resources and Skills Development under Paul, before replacing Judy Sgro in immigration when the media found out about the skills certain Romanian immigrants were developing.

Rejected Campaign Slogans: The possibilities are endless.
“Yes, I’m a serious candidate. Don’t laugh.”
“Loyal to the leader since 2004”
“Being in Cabinet has nothing to do with my flip-flop on gay marriage”
“Only he can defeat the Klansmen”
“Joe Who?”
“Romanian Strippers at every campaign stop!”
“Not only will I ban the Sopranos in Canada, I’ll ban Joey!”
"Slightly More Credible than Dan McTeague"

Rejected Endorsement: Dominos Pizza.

Rejected Endorsement: Warren Kinsella, as his post from the other day had Volpe's name on it.

Rejected Platform: Increased MP expense accounts.

Pros: Umm…he wasn’t the worst Minister of Human Resources and Skill Development under Martin…and…umm…it’d be really funny if he won. I'm talking golden blog material every day.

Cons: Rumour is, he has never worn a pair of jeans a day in his life.

In Person: I’ve met Volpe once before, briefly, during the Stampede last year. I must say, I wasn’t overly impressed with him…and I had pretty low expectations coming in. I asked him a serious question about Canada increasing immigration rates and he barely answered it, resorting to some vague platitude on a completely different topic.

My Take: Joe Volpe personifies everything that's wrong with politics. He extolled false outrage over the Libranos poster. He resorted to childish name calling and vilification when he compared the Conservatives to Klansmen last year. He has a reputation as a vicious backstabber. Just read Juggernaut, or ask Judy Sgro. He eats 100$ pizzas and takes 1000$ limo rides. He was vehemently against same sex marriage until his Cabinet position was on the line.

That said, with Dan McTeague being rumoured to run, Joe Volpe is no longer the worst candidate out there. And, if nothing else, he's been a Liberal a lot longer than the rest of the field. That should count for something.

Chances: Volpe has been building an organization longer than anyone still in the race and, because of that, he can’t be ignored. He won’t win, but if he gets enough delegates to the convention, he could play a key role in deciding who comes out on top.


  • I don't say you don't endorse Volpe, but then you spend a lot of time talking about his governmental accomplishments and his organization. This seems like some serious political doublespeak and personally, I find your statement that you don't endorse him unconvincing.

    By Blogger Leny Vilekoskytch, at 2:50 p.m.  

  • LOL.


    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 2:59 p.m.  

  • I agree with you CG, Volpe's the best candidate in the race and the man to beat.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:05 p.m.  

  • You are a closet Volpe endorser.

    I get it.

    In all seriousness though, I agree 100% that Volpe is exactly counter to what one wants for the Liberal lead. His mere sight on the screen irritates me. I just feel the need to vote against him. I don't think I'm alone. I hope that he keeps a low profile or says something seriously discrediting enough that the media never shows him on TV again.

    Was that harsh?

    Anyone but Volpe, please.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:06 p.m.  

  • Awesome, Awesome, AWESOME post on Volpe. This is the kind of dialogue we need to be having in the party. Volpe's useless and although I'm sure he's a decent guy, he's one hell of a crappy politician.

    When are we gonna get to a Stephan Dion post? I'm very interested in your take.

    By Blogger Forward Looking Canadian, at 3:16 p.m.  

  • Hmm, your reverse psychological mumbo-jumbo does seem ironically seductive... Anyone who could run on a Mayor Quimby slogan can't be all that bad, right? Plus, you go on to say that he could play a "key" role in deciding the final outcome of the leadership campaign. Like, if Joe endorses Iggy, it's the equivalent to the kiss of death?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:20 p.m.  

  • The LPC would best be served if Volpe simply disappeared. The fact he could be Kingmaker is annoying in itself. I can't stand the man. If he actually wins I would be stunned.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:22 p.m.  

  • I don't think I've ever met a single Liberal who likes Joe Volpe...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:29 p.m.  

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    By Blogger Don, at 3:29 p.m.  

  • Volpe, and his record in the party over the past few years, brings new meaning to the phrase,
    "GO JOE. GO!"

    By Blogger Don, at 3:31 p.m.  

  • Well as someone, as we might say, of another persuasion, I can't say that there's a single name I've heard yet that fills me with fear, but if I could have an early Xmas gift come December, I'd wish for a Joe victory. Representing pretty much everything that is wrong with the LPC and most of what cost them the last election, Joe Volpe as leader would all but ensure the emergence of the CPC as Canada's new "natural governing party"--and there is not one atom of irony intended in that statement.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:40 p.m.  

  • I think some of you here are under-estimating Joe Volpe. Outside of Toronto and the Liberal Party and a few Conservatives who is largely unknown so how well he does will depend a lot on the kind of policies he adopts. He speaks four languages fluently and even knows Mandarin or Cantonese partially, so this would be a big asset in appealing to ethnic voters who make up a large portion of the electorate in large cities. Also the mistake the Liberals made was to underestimate Stephen Harper and I get the impression many Conservatives would do the same if Joe Volpe became leader. I am not in anyway endorsing him as leader, I will make my endorsement once I see who runs. But I would not rule out supporting him on the final ballot if my first choice got eliminated.

    By Blogger Monkey Loves to Fight, at 4:09 p.m.  

  • Fuck You and Fuck the entire province of Alberta.

    Joe is a great MP, was a great minister and will be a great Prime Minister. He is respected and will have massive support from various groups of new Canadians and he is a better choice than a lot of the field.

    But I guess you guys in Alberta want commies like Kennedy to be the leader.

    I can gurantee that Volpe will do better than Kennedy. Joe already has his 3.4 million in donations pledged to him already. He's going to be a force in urban Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:09 p.m.  

  • I'm from Toronto, not Alberta and Volpe is an arrogant ass in any language he speaks. He also tends to bullshit too much and it's the appearance that he actually believes his own bullshit that makes him even more annoying.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:33 p.m.  

  • And Volpe's strategy to attract delegates on the 4th ballot is revealed:

    "Fuck You and Fuck the entire province of Alberta."

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:43 p.m.  

  • "I can gurantee that Volpe will do better than Kennedy. Joe already has his 3.4 million in donations pledged to him already. He's going to be a force in urban Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver."- Toronto Liberal

    You just blew it. Anyone who claims to have 3.4 in pledges is worse than a fart, and who the hell said Joe is going to be a force in Toronto. Not one of the senior organisers that I know is supporting Joe, maybe he might think that they are, but I know no one is, not in the west end, not in the east end. I know GK has some support, Iggy, Dryden, Belinda are others.

    He will be happy if he can retain his own riding :) This is leadership don't underestimate our potential when it comes to raising funds and forms.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:43 p.m.  

  • Torontoliberal: I think insulting all Albertans is not the way to re-build the Liberal party which should be a national party. Also Vancouver, Toronto, and Montreal are already predominately Liberal, so I am not interested in someone who can pick up the few remaining seats in those cities, but someone who can win in Francophone Quebec, Western Canada outside the Lower Mainland, and non-GTA Ontario which is where the party must win seats if it wishes to win a majority government.

    By Blogger Monkey Loves to Fight, at 4:48 p.m.  

  • CG: Is the double-negative intentional?

    "I, in no way, .. will not ... endorse Joe Volpe...."

    My next blog post: "CG does not not endorse Volpe." :-)

    By Blogger Dale, at 4:48 p.m.  

  • hmm Joe Volpe represents the worst about politics yet CG has a soft spot for Sheila Copps.

    Sheila Copps was perhaps the dirtiest out there.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:03 p.m.  

  • What I appreciate about you, calgarygrit, is that you can say nice things about someone you don't necessarily agree with or plan on supporting which is quite a bit different than most other political blogs. Your blog is a breath of fresh air. Keep up the good work.

    By Blogger Ned Noodle, at 5:10 p.m.  

  • TorontoLib is so totally Joe Volpe himself!

    The arrogance, the random attacks, the love of all thing Joe!

    Hi Mr. Volpe!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:13 p.m.  

  • And Volpe's strategy to attract delegates on the 4th ballot is revealed:

    "Fuck You and Fuck the entire province of Alberta."

    Hey, it worked great for Scott Reid ...

    oh, wait a minute ...

    By Blogger Jason Hickman, at 5:19 p.m.  

  • I've been waiting for the Joe Volpe preview ever since you started this series.

    Any chance you can throw up a Jean Lapierre one, just for the heck of it? Please?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:29 p.m.  

  • Why would Volpe stop at 3.4 million in pledges, you need to raise 3.98 million in this race to spend the max

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:30 p.m.  

  • I am a lifelong Toronto Liberal. I have been trying all morning to get myselself to vote for Volpe - to get my hand to put a little "x" next to the name "Volpe" - on a ballot i drew up on the back of an envelope. I don't know that I am going to be able to do it. I think I am going to need a drink or two first. Maybe some hard drugs might help...

    I could always accept that the Liberal party had elements like Volpe in it, I just don't think I can handle them leading it.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:18 p.m.  

  • TorontoLiberal is probably trying to be sarcastic I guess. Besides Joe Volpe may not be a top tiered candidate or one who wins great enthusiasm, but that doesn't mean he cannot do a good job as prime-minister. No one thought Harper had a living hell and hope of every becoming PM (including myself) as recently as last summer, much less when he first become Canadian Alliance leader, so don't underestimate him.

    By Blogger Monkey Loves to Fight, at 7:45 p.m.  

  • Man, classic post CG! These comments are a riot too - loved the one telling CG and Alberta to fuck off. This is pure junk food for us politico types.

    Somebody defend Volpe's sooo funny!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:46 p.m.  

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    By Blogger Reality Bites, at 7:49 p.m.  

  • No one thought Harper had a living hell and hope of every becoming PM (including myself) as recently as last summer, much less when he first become Canadian Alliance leader, so don't underestimate him.

    Yes - and if the only other candidates in the Liberal leadership race were Belinda Stronach and Tony Clement I'd be liking Joe Volpe's chances too.

    But they're not. This isn't the Conservative Party, a cobbled-together Frankenstein monster of a party created from two living corpses. This is the party that has held power for most of Canada's history. And candidates like Joe Volpe (and Belinda Stronach for that matter) don't have a chance in hell.

    By Blogger Reality Bites, at 7:52 p.m.  

  • I agree, just about the best thing I can say about Volpe is that at least he's not McTeague...

    By Blogger Ryan Ringer, at 7:59 p.m.  

  • I see you are listing Volpe as 48 when he is in fact 58 years of age.. perhaps a clever ploy to present him as a "younger" candidate and thus boost his chances. Very clever. I knew you were with him.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:34 p.m.  

  • I met Joe Volpe when he came to Vancouver and liked him a lot. He would be my second choice after Joe Fontana!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:17 p.m.  

  • There's a typo in your post I think. If Volpe was born in 1947, shouldn't he be 58?

    Yeah, Volpe, not so good. As a dipper, the machaivellian side of me wants the Liberals to pick a crappy leader....

    Sooooo, V for Volpe! V for Victory!

    By Blogger bza, at 9:23 p.m.  

  • Don't forget, Volpe means Fox in Italian. What do you think he was talking about over those $100 pizzas?

    Liberal Party putsch, that's what.

    He's clever that Volpe, too clever by half.

    (The above post is parody. Nothing in the post should be taken seriously.)

    By Blogger JL, at 10:36 p.m.  

  • 58, yeah, that's right.

    Joe just looks oh so youthful...

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 10:46 p.m.  

  • And when you've posted on Jean Lapierre, can you do one on Joe Clark, too? And then maybe Buzz?

    While the evil conservative in me would love to see Volpe as Leader of the Official Opposition FOREVER (ROFLMAO), it's probably in Canada's best interest that the Liberal Party get a leader with some ideas & some humility. Canada needs two strong parties (sorry, Jack, I just don't see the NDP sneaking up the middle there) to keep things healthy.

    By Blogger Candace, at 2:33 a.m.  

  • I think several posters are underestinmating Joe Volpe. When Volpe was Minister of Immigration he had the chance to build up a network with several immigrant communities that could provide him with lots of delegates. As long as he sticks around until the fifth or sixth ballot he Volpe could emerge as the "anybody but Belinda" candidate.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:22 a.m.  

  • Volpe is going to surprise a lot of smug fake Liberals out West.

    The guy is popular and will do quite well. I bet Martin himself lends a hand to his good freind Joe.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:51 a.m.  

  • Best





    God, I hope Volpe continues to provide bloggers with this much ammunition. He's even funnier than Iggy.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:45 a.m.  

  • He has a reputation as a vicious backstabber.

    What do you expect? He got his Commons seat by unseating a sitting Liberal MP.

    By Blogger IslandLiberal, at 11:35 a.m.  

  • First, on behalf of all Toronto Liberals - even those like myself currently living in the west - I separate myself from those earlier profane comments about Alberta which bear no repetition. Volpe has been a solid organizer for himself and others for a long time. Is he leadership material? Let's see.

    In terms of turfing the sitting MP, his predecessor Roland DeCorneille held Eglinton-Lawrence from 1980 to 1988. In 1985, Toronto Life magazine rated DeCorneille as one of the the Toronto area's weakest MPs - rarely spoke in the Commons, hardly ever stood up to the Mulroney government (that same article also slagged then NDP MP's Dan Heap and Lynn McDonald - the latter was trashed by Dennis Mills in the '88 election - for the same reason), and was almost a non-entity in his riding. Local Liberals I knew in the area who had worked for Mitchell Sharp in the 60s and 70s, wanted him out. When the writ came down, Volpe had basically out-organized DeCorneille for the nomination. Interestingly, Volpe's Tory opponent was none other than former Liberal Small Business Minister Tony Abbott (who favoured free trade), and who won DeCorneille's endorsement.

    BTW, did anyone catch Ignatieff this morning on CPAC, with some parts of it on CTV NewsNet? Good stuff but he'll have to sound less like a Political Science prof if he wants to win.

    David Imrie -

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:36 p.m.  

  • Appreciate Imrie's comments. He is a long standing Liberal not given to the insults by some here wh've commented. I'm a little miffed with Calgary Grit and Blue Grits attacks on McTeague. If the party is ever to get back into power we are going to need the likes of McTeague to help rebuild. The guy has an enviable reputation among canadians and has distinguished himself in more areas than i care to remember. As for his commitment to the Party few in the Party today can match his longevity. Dave Imrie will remember his early days in Scarborough with the Young Liberals and the fact he was a Keith Davey protege.

    Dont know about the ssm stuff, but it doesnt define the Party nor canadians. McTeague is bilingual and the right age for a modern renewed centrist Liberal Party

    Asif Khan

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:55 p.m.  

  • I agree with Asif - McTeague is an asset as there are fewer and fewer 93 Liberals left in the party. I would expect to see some action from him in the consumer affairs critic portfolio shortly - on gas prices, competition and generic drugs.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:16 p.m.  

  • This isn't the Conservative Party, a cobbled-together Frankenstein monster of a party created from two living corpses. This is the party that has held power for most of Canada's history.

    News flash... the Tories have been in power for longer in Canadian history... however, you Libs have run the show more often in the last 100 years.

    As for leadership, I'd have to say that most of you are discounting McTeauge more than you should. If he ran and won, he'd be the best one to steal votes from the Tories... though more of the left would be singing Jack's tune as a result.

    However, even if he doesn't run, he's highly respected by loads of the right leaning Liberals, and one of the last of the 93 crew... he could influence a good sized block come the second or third ballot.

    And he's the only Liberal that I've ever voted for. (I voted for the man, not the party) I was a Reform supporter at the time, but I supported Dan come ballot time. And I influenced my folks to do the same... who always voted PC or Reform.

    Don't count Danny boy's role out anytime soon.

    By Blogger Christian Conservative, at 7:36 p.m.  

  • News flash... the Tories have been in power for longer in Canadian history... however, you Libs have run the show more often in the last 100 years.

    No, the Liberal-Conservatives/Conservatives/Unionists/Progressive Conservatives/Conservatives have governed for around 50 of Canada's 140 years.

    By Blogger IslandLiberal, at 8:02 p.m.  

  • McTeague is homophobic reactionary and I would be more than happy to see him sitting over on side with Harper where he belongs.

    Any Liberal that thinks McTeauge should be our leader should also go and join the Tories.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:13 p.m.  

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    By Blogger Christian Conservative, at 8:20 p.m.  

  • Really? Guess I'd better double check that... I was sure that you'd been in the drivers seat only more in the last 100 years... my bad!

    Anyway, I'd gladly take Dan & others like him, the few that there are... too bad that won't get us to 155 seats!

    By Blogger Christian Conservative, at 8:22 p.m.  

  • It's true that the Conservatives were in office more frequently during the 19th century, but that's only from 1867-1900. From 1867 to 1896, the Liberals only held office for a 5 year period from 1873 to 1878. Then they won in 1896, which is often considered a realignment election.

    Basically, the Conservatives were dominant during John A. MacDonald's lifetime. After that, four different leaders attempted to take the reins from 1891 to 1896, when Laurier swept to power, beginning what many political scientists consider the era of Liberal dominance.

    By Blogger IslandLiberal, at 8:29 p.m.  

  • Anonymous at 6:13 called McTeague a 'homophobic reactionary'. Nice. I guess that means Sikhs, Muslims, Hindus and those that did not vote for us last election because of Marriage are also in the same mix.

    Give your collective homophilic heads a shake. McTeague championned the cause of getting aids drugs to Africa, a National Organ Donor registry, getting Canadians, gay or straight out of hell holes around the world, devised the means of using gas taxes to help cities, twice gave the poor and seniors a much needed rebate for home heating fuel and took on his own Government, long before Carolyn Bennett, over the tainted blood scandal.

    There's more guts and results for Canadians from this MP than all of your phoney leadership wannabees, combined.

    If that's "homophobic" our Party could use more.

    Better yet, why don't Anonymous at 6:13 and his ilk like Blue Grit, or should that be - Pink Grit, join the Party more suited to their narrow, see the world through one issue, minds -- the NDP

    Amarjit Sidhu

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:52 p.m.  

  • Amarjit: in order for the Liberal party to "reinvigorate" itself, it needs to reconnect itself with the liberal political philosophy that underpins its existence.

    Since one of the main raisons d'etre for liberalism is the concept of universal human rights, and since that includes gay people, a politician's position on gay rights is a vitally important window through which to see their commitment to liberalism itself.

    Liberalism is about more than giving money to poor people. Too many people in the Liberal party tend to forget that.

    By Blogger Demosthenes, at 2:14 a.m.  

  • Amarjit Sidhu joins Dan McTeauge, Mcteauge's Mommy, and his paid staff as the only people in Canada that think Dan McTeauge is anything more than a blowhard backbench MP that is an embarssment to the Liberal Party.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:49 a.m.  

  • McTeague has vigorously and consistently opposed any and all rights of any kind for gays and lesbians, not just marriage. Employment rights, pension rights. There's NOTHING you or the government could do to a homosexual that McTeague thinks they should have any legal recourse whatsoever against.

    The sad think is that the sick, bigoted fuck has lots of company in the Liberal party.

    By Blogger Reality Bites, at 10:04 a.m.  

  • We could have some fun if we called Volpe "Volpone." We could recite passages from Ben Johnson's play whenever he spoke.

    "Good morning to the Day; and, next, my Gold:
    Open the shrine, that I may see my Saint.
    Hayle the worlds soule, and mine. More glad then is
    The teeming earth, to see the longd-for Sunne
    Peepe through the hornes of the Cælestiall Ram,
    Am I, to view thy splendor, darkening his:
    That lying here, amongst my other hoordes,
    Shew'st like a flame, by night; or like the Day
    Strooke out of Chaos, when all darkenes fled
    Unto the center. O thou Son of Sol,
    (But brighter then thy father) let me kisse,
    With adoration, thee, and euery relique
    Of sacred treasure, in this blessed roome. "

    By Blogger nitangae, at 11:19 a.m.  

  • The Ben Johnson quote could be receited the next time somebody makes elaborate claims about the amount of money Volpone has raised.

    As for Kennedy, no provincial politician may have made it to Prime Minister, but that is partly because Canadian provinces are so independent - moving from provincial champion to federal champion is in some ways a bigger deal than crossing the floor from Liberal to Conservative. I wonder, however, if Kennedy's Alberta experience might reduce the sense that he is, like other provincial politicians, a provincial champion.

    By Blogger nitangae, at 11:29 a.m.  

  • As for Kennedy, no provincial politician may have made it to Prime Minister,
    Incorrect: Sir John Thompson, Premier of Nova Scotia in 1882, served as PM from 1892-1894 (he was the best of the four guys who tried to take over from MacDonald. MacDonald himself and Tupper both held Premiers' offices before Confederation, which is a different circumstance.

    By Blogger IslandLiberal, at 12:43 p.m.  

  • Every party needs one embarrasing leader named Joe.

    By Blogger Barrelman, at 1:27 p.m.  

  • Manitoba Liberal needs to come out of the closet and join the NDP. Could you imagine having someone like that speaking for the Liberals in an election ?. Guess its easy to figure out why we didnt do so well in his riding.

    Time to change your soiled diapers Manitobal Liberal. Grow up.


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:16 p.m.  

  • Hey Reality Bites -- get a grip. i thought McTeague handled your pet (single interest) issue quite well by suggesting all people in a position of dependancy should get same sex benefits. He simply proposed the conjugal aspect not be a factor. Sounds pretty inclusive to me and consistent with the Trudeau doctrine that the state has no business there anyway. As for marriage, he knew some were advancing an agenda to redefine it without first looking at Quebec's model on Civil Unions. ButI guess according to Reality Bites, Quebecers then fall in the category of " sick, bigoted fuckers" ?

    You're twisted and scarry. You need therapy.

    Randall Pierce

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:35 p.m.  

  • Does Amarjit Sidhu hate Jews as much as he hates gay people?

    Inquiring Minds want to know!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:33 p.m.  

  • First, the dinner was had at a restaurant called Camera's Pizzeria Ristaurante. This does not actually mean that they ate pizza, it's just the name of the restaurant. I find it irritating that people would try to ruin his reputation by suggesting the tax payer money was misspent. Is it unreasonable to anyone who has ever taken a step away from their computer and out into real life to have a government minister take a few people out for dinner and spend $123.00? Are people implying that he bought one overpriced pizza? Are people implying it was a dinner for 2 people and $60/pizza is too much? Give me a break.
    Second, this was a dinner for business purposes and fell completely under the guidlines of the treasurey board. When a federal cabinet minister is doing business on behalf of Canadians, they don't take stakeholders to McDonald's. I challenge anyone out there to show me a receipt for a minister that had a business dinner at any fast food restaurant.

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