Monday, February 06, 2006

Nice Comfy Welcome Mat

I must say, I'm very curious what the following Conservatives have to say about David Emerson's defection today:

James Moore:
"I think it shows there are two kinds of people in public life -- people with principle and people like Belinda Stronach,"

Pierre Poilievre:
"It has everything to do with the fact she was offered a plum job and Paul Martin is offering every bribe he can to cling on to power,"

Tony Abbott:
"To me, what it is, it's a little rich girl basically whoring herself out to the Liberals,"

Bob Runciman:
"I think she sort of defined herself as something of a dipstick -- an attractive one, but still a dipstick -- with what she's done here today,"

Dave Hancock:
"It's appalling,"

Bernard Lord:
"This is just another action, another moment, that breeds cynicism of electors,"


UPDATE: Ahab's Whale has this gem from Emerson, on election night:
"I'm going to be Stephen Harper's worst enemy," he warned. "We're going to stir the pot and you better believe we are going to make a heck of a lot of noise."

Well, he's certainly stirring the pot and making noise. And, considering the optics around this, his prophecy about being "Harper's worst enemy" may not be too far off the mark.


UPDATE Deux: Curious to see what our new Immigration Ministers has to say now.


UPDATE Trois: More from Poilievre:
Private Members Business - November 21, 2005: Bill C-251, Members of Parliament who Cross the FloorMr. Pierre Poilievre (Nepean⿿Carleton, CPC):

Mr. Speaker, it is an honour to rise today in support of a bill that I believe would restore some accountability around this place. I thank the hon. member across the way for having raised it. When members of the House crosses the floor, I believe they break a contract, not with their political party but with their constituents.

When a member of Parliament is elected to this place, he or she is elected with a party label, having made a commitment to serve with party's label attached to his or her name. Members of the public make their voting decision based on that commitment. Therefore, a contract is formed between the constituent and the member of Parliament.


And, of course, there's Harper himself:

"There's no grand principle involved in this decision, just ambition."

32 Comments:

  • I think you'll find many of those Conservatives are as pissed now as they were then. I've talked to quite a few people today and haven't found anyone on board with this.

    You run on a platform of cleaning up government and this is your first act? Give me a break.

    By Anonymous notbobchiarelli, at 2:28 PM  

  • As a Conservative i very pissed why do we need Emerson, we left some pretty talented people out of the Cabinet. If he decides to run in a by-election than I will be fime with it but this is imo unetical.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:29 PM  

  • I don't know what they have to say for themselves, but this conservative is utterly disgusted.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:36 PM  

  • Within the first ten minutes of taking the job, Stephen Harper showed what kind of man he really is - a liar.

    For years, he told Canadians that he would never appoint a senator. Now he has, and he is using all the tired old excuses that Liberals used to try, and Harper used to attack. What a hypocrite.

    Then, nobody was more angry than Harper when Stronach crossed the floor. He said it was dishonest conduct and that it broke faith with the people who elected her. (Actually, he and his friends said a lot worse, but this is a family blog). Now, he goes out and does the same thing. Double hypocrite.

    Finally, we have Manitoba Tory MP Brian Pallister acting with a sense of entitlement that Dave Dingwall would envy - and Harper does nothing other than to say he respects Pallister's decision. So much for eithics and accountability. Triple hypocrite.

    Stephen Harper was elected because he promised to restore ethics to the government of Canada. He said that his government would be more honest than Liberals. Now we see the truth - he is worse than the Liberals were on their worst day.

    With the Grits, we knew they would act like Grits. But Harper said that he was better. He said would act differently. He lied to us and that makes him even worse than Liberals. At least Liberals never promised to not be Liberals.

    Canadians were lied to. Harper's election was obtained by fraud and lies. I Canadians had known that Stephen Harper would break his most-fundamental promises the minute he became Prime Minister, he wouldn't be the Prime Minister.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:41 PM  

  • This is a very bad government for brown-looking people. Stockwell Day, a Creationist, Israel-first evangelical Christian is setting the policy about how to harass Muslims, and Vic Toews, Mr. anti-Human Rights, is the one signing security certificates.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:45 PM  

  • Stronach was the one vote the Liberals needed, Emerson is crossing with no crisis of the Conservatives falling.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:51 PM  

  • A mere distinction without a difference. Everything they said about Stronach applies here. Does the fact that it is Harper who is doing it make it okay? Not in my books, especially since he promised to never do it.

    Show some honour and integrity and just admit this is wrong, wrong, wrong.

    Even long-time Tories are screaming about this.

    Ten minutes on the job and Harper loses his moral authority to govern.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:03 PM  

  • Anonymous said: "Stronach was the one vote the Liberals needed, Emerson is crossing with no crisis of the Conservatives falling"

    Gee, and that somehow makes it better in your eyes? What Conservative Machiavellian logic ;)

    By Anonymous Scott Tribe, at 3:04 PM  

  • It's always amazing the the dumbest, most moronic comments always come from people that call themselves anonymous.

    Watch the freakin "Your Turn" with CBC and prove to me that Stephen Harper lied.

    You're just a bunch of sore losers, perhaps if you educated yourselfs just alittle bit about the subject before responding, we might have better commments.

    By Blogger Fighting for Democracy, at 3:04 PM  

  • A quick poll of the Conservative basement (located in the "comments" section of Andrew Coyne's blog) seems to indicate that the most rabid neo-tories are perfectly willing to accept this kind of hypocracy, even on Day 1 of their shiny new Conservative government.

    By Blogger Robert, at 3:06 PM  

  • Fighting, Harper did not suddenly start making public pronouncements during the election. Look at what he said at the time that Belinda defected.

    By Blogger Jason Cherniak, at 3:28 PM  

  • I guess we know who the Liberal mole was...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:29 PM  

  • Interesting decision.

    Harper was attacked for not having representation from the big cities. He moves to do that and is attacked.

    Emerson was seen by some as a potential Liberal leadership hopeful.

    His total departure speaks for what the inner workings of the Liberal party look like.

    Anne McLellan was interviewed and looks like a woman still shell shocked over her loss.

    The switch from power to powerless is a large fall.

    Emerson, to be honest, should resign, or offer to resign and seek advice from his constituents.

    In cases like this, the political party causing the by-election should have to pay for the by-election.

    TIZ

    By Blogger The Infozone, at 3:39 PM  

  • By Blogger Gary McHale, at 3:43 PM  

  • the infozone reports on this story.

    TIZ

    By Blogger The Infozone, at 3:45 PM  

  • The Infozone said:
    "Harper was attacked for not having representation from the big cities. He moves to do that and is attacked."

    You're wrong. The point is that Harper didn't EARN representation from big cities. He still hasn't.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:46 PM  

  • To "Anonymous", who was kvetching about Day and Toews:

    1. How does Day supporting Israel equate to being bad for Muslims? Aren't Muslims creationists too?

    2. Toews knows more about the Charter than most people ever will, having argued it lots of times before the Supreme Court on behalf of Manitoba.

    By Blogger matt, at 4:03 PM  

  • In fairness to Harper, he never supported a floor crossing law, even if he supports "the intent" of it.

    However, I suspect a lot of people will have a tough time being consistent on the Emerson and Belinda crossings - that goes for both the Liberals and Tories. There are some nuanced differences in the two instances, but it's hard to support one of the two and not the other.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 4:05 PM  

  • It is, I suggest a move today with Emerson and Fortier which Harper will not like in the long term.

    Short fat mike on CTV commented on how Harper looked comfortable defending his decisions.

    He did, there were a few times he looked a little testy.

    Chances are, however this has been a long day already.

    ;)

    TIZ

    By Blogger The Infozone, at 4:44 PM  

  • Just posted a few more comments from Emerson, said a few days ago back when he was running as a Liberal. Not surprising really, considering he was trying to defeat the Conservatives...

    Kudos to the many CPC supporters who have begun calling Harper on this, as opposed to the unanimous chorus of cheers from Liberals during the Belinda saga. The fault for this lies solely with Harper. I do not understand how he could do something so boneheaded on his first day.

    But there you have it.

    By Blogger James MacDuff, at 4:47 PM  

  • calgarygrit,

    "However, I suspect a lot of people will have a tough time being consistent on the Emerson and Belinda crossings - that goes for both the Liberals and Tories. There are some nuanced differences in the two instances, but it's hard to support one of the two and not the other."

    I have no issue supporting one but not the other... when Belinda was running... it was fairly obvious to a lot of people that she was a leftie... and as she said in one interview... the confidence motion that happened after she crossed was not exactly in the bag... she easily could've lost her job on her first day... Emerson isn't even going to spend one day representing what people voted for.

    By Anonymous andrew, at 4:55 PM  

  • Guess Who Just Said This

    "fundamentally......Let me make this quite clear............I'm serving the people that elected me..........quite clear"

    Nope, not Paul Martin Jr.

    Yep. David Emerson.

    Also this.........I only ran cause Paul Martin asked me to....if Paul Martin was PM I's still be Liberal....

    WHAT!!!

    THe What Do I Know Grit

    By Blogger James Curran, at 5:02 PM  

  • I'm torn on it.

    First day on the job...and this. You wonder why people are cynical about politics?

    On the other hand, this is a different situation than Belinda. Her defection totally changed the dynamics of Parliament the day of a crucial vote.

    Emerson doesn't really affect things, other than to bring experience to a new cabinet.

    In a way, this is a good decision and a bad one. Good, because Emerson is a capable professional who'll being experience to cabinet. And ultimately, experience is a good thing.

    But the optics...this doesn't look good at all. We're early in the term, so this will blow over. Emerson has no leadership ambitions so unless he royally fucks up, this won't come back to haunt him or Harper.

    By Blogger Sean, at 5:15 PM  

  • Uh...excuse me...Hello? Adscam?...HELLO?

    *tap tap*...Is this thing on?

    By Anonymous Conservative Hysteric, at 6:55 PM  

  • Conservative Hysteric,

    "Uh...excuse me...Hello? Adscam?...HELLO?

    *tap tap*...Is this thing on?"

    Integrity... integrity... integrity... just like yelling in a tunnel... funny.

    By Anonymous andrew, at 7:14 PM  

  • you asked, what would soberg had to say? on CPAC this afternoon; "ask my boss!". not much, I wonder why?

    By Anonymous Marcel, at 7:34 PM  

  • Democracy Watch has filed a complaint with the ethics commissioner.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:08 AM  

  • If you're going to a knife fight with the Liberal Party ... bring a gun. I'm willing to give Harper the benefit of the doubt on this one. It had better not become a pattern though, or else he's going to have a party revolt on his hands.

    By Blogger Richard Pearson, at 2:25 AM  

  • Wow, you people are shrill. You could give my Mother-in Law a few pointers. GIve it a rest, its politics...grow up.

    By Blogger Sophie, at 11:59 AM  

  • Whooee! BartFeller, yer on the money a hunnert percent's worth. These here numbnuts moves by the HarpoonTosser is jest exactly the sort o' things he sed the lily-white Conservatives wouldn't do.

    I gotta hard time believin' that Emerson made his decision t' jump ship so fast. I'm wonderin' if mebbe Emerson an' the backroom boys was doin' their greasy negotiatin' before the votin'. Anywhichway I look at it, I see slime.

    An' how 'bout this Fortier crappola? The guy was never elected t' nuthin' an' now he's settin' his sorryass in the Senate o' Canadee an' he's a bigass minister in the Harpoon gummint.

    What was it them Triple-E's stood fer again?

    I reckon Harper's like every other polytickle opportunist pryminister makin' best use o' the Triple-U senate - unelected, undeservin' an' underhanded.

    Yores trooly,
    JimBobby

    By Blogger JimBobby, at 12:30 PM  

  • We do not go out of our way to romance MPs to cross the floor [I suppose a phonecall or 6 isn't really going out of ones way]. Liberals will do anything to win. We try to create a principled party and going about it in a principled way. We are cautious about party-jumping because it creates cynicism it and if they jump once, you are not sure they will not jump again. I will always handle that with extreme caution. [like giving them cabinet positions]”

    http://www.pulse24.com/News/Top_Story/20050517-011/page.asp

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:37 PM  

  • Interesting blog. Keep up the good work.

    Regards,

    Johnny Reb
    Stilesboro
    http://www.scv670.com

    By Blogger Johnny Reb, at 1:00 AM  

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