Monday, March 30, 2009

Change you can count not offend anyone...does just that

The LPC National Exec votes down the Renewal Committee's proposals 9-8. However, OMOV does pass, so it will be voted on at the convention.


  • You're kidding.

    OMOV is the only thing that passed?


    By Blogger Gauntlet, at 7:20 p.m.  

  • WOW. How much of LPC money was spent on the Renewal Commission?

    Does that make it officially a waste of time? Does it go nowhere now (except for OMOV)?

    Is OMOV vote then the ONLY constitutional amendment that will go to the floor when almost 2 hours were allocated to the constitutional plenary in the convention program?

    Dan give us more dets!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:35 p.m.  

  • The leader's hand-picked renewal committee just got an icepick to the back of the neck?

    That's crazy. Name names, Dan. Who voted for, who voted against?

    By Blogger Corey Hogan, at 7:50 p.m.  

  • Anon - I believe constitutional ammendments can come from PTAs, council of presidents, national exec, and commissions (YLC is voting on a few tomorrow) I imagine the rest of these ammendments might still make their way to the floor of the convention to be voted on.

    I have to plead ignorance beyond that though, since I'm not completely positive on the procedures for this.

    But, yes, there will certainly be other ammendments up for debate.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 7:52 p.m.  

  • I'd just like to point out:

    Leadership Race: Check
    Useful Policy Discussion: Check
    Substantive Party Reform: Check

    We're just eliminating every possible reason to attend, aren't we?

    Except for OMOV. Which got less than 50% support last time around, and needs 75% to pass.

    By Blogger Gauntlet, at 7:53 p.m.  

  • Corey - I don't know much else. Apparently some of the PTA Presidents didn't like the idea of powers being devloved to the central party. But I really don't know anything else beyond what I posted...

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 7:54 p.m.  

  • This is very disappointing. I want to know names, too. I thought we were going to get serious about party reform.

    By Anonymous Andrea, at 2:06 a.m.  

  • Surely OMOV will pass at a convention that is not OMOV.

    By Blogger Toby, at 9:08 a.m.  

  • What was the precise wording of the proposed resolution on Liberal308? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

    By Blogger Ted Betts, at 10:05 a.m.  

  • The motion sponsored by Oakville and Kitchener-Waterloo riding associations comes in several parts... the principle of the option of a local, direct, one member, one vote "decentralized convention"... with the mechanics and constitutional changes as additional items. The key is to add this tool to the toolkit that the constitution allows for conventions.. it is already a reality as one member, one vote is used for leadership review votes (many times in the past,eh!!!). This will allow the C of P and Nat Exec. an option to use if the situation (as we had in december 08) requires it... The principle is a good one... and the technology can support it... I hope all Liberals will support the principle in Vancouver in May

    By Anonymous Richard pres,K-W FLA, at 10:53 a.m.  

  • Hey, you made front page news on Bourque!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:10 a.m.  

  • your support base is being screwed, so much for promises made by the same old party.

    Thanks for speaking up Grit! Someone sure needs to stick a fork in the exec.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:38 p.m.  

  • Who cares Dan, this was a stupid idea led by a bunch of stupid people. There are 4 ways to pass a constitutional amendment in this party:

    1) PTA's - good luck Iggy killing the PTA's with a motion from the PTA's;
    2) The Council of Presidents - these guys do not even have a mechanism to pass a constitutional change;
    3) The National Executive - made up mainly by the PTA Presidents, good luck Iggy; and
    4) The most useless portion of the entire party, the Commissions. This may be where Iggy and his guys get their issues on the convention floor. But this would just be sad and pathetic. As you know and I think agree with me on Dan, the YLC is the most useless organization in the party, followed closely by the rest of the Commissions. It would be nice if Michael had the balls to go after those guys and shut down the Commissions and make the party a democracy. But they will not.

    Clearly these clowns trying to ram down "party renewal" did not even understand the process by which they could get their issues to the Covnention floor.

    Finally, I love the uproar over the "leader's handpicked renewal committee getting the ice pick in the back of the neck". A couple points about our vaunted leader:

    1) He has never ever won a leadership race, and will not have even after this convention. To the best of my knowledge he has never won a major democratic election in his life; and
    2) He has never won a general election.

    This guy should show some results before he goes about hari khari changing the party apparatus. This was bad politics from the start, like virtually everything that Iggy is doing internally, it was not well-thought out and as always with Iggy's inner circle, forged ahead with a tin ear to the political realities within the party..but what can you expect from a guy whose inner circle was too scared to face a democratic battle with Bob Rae...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:19 p.m.  

  • "This guy should show some results before he goes about hari khari changing the party apparatus."

    ... and yet... you criticize him for not going about hari khari changing the party apparatus.

    Funny that.

    By Blogger Ted Betts, at 4:11 p.m.  

  • A lot of nonsense to debunk here, but someone might as well start.

    Firstly, constituional amendments can make it to the convention via any of the PTAs, the Commissions, other duly constituted bodies of the party or the National executive. If people put half as much effort into crafting singular and sesnible resolutions and lobbying for their passage as they did into random internet rants of despair, we'd be a better party.

    So yes, there will be constitutional amendments, above and beyond the proposition for one-member-one vote. (which, contrary to the comment above requires 67%, not 75% to pass).

    My guess is that OMOV will pass provided that some of the people at the microphone proposing it don't act like self-serving morons when they move it. That's how and why it died last time.

    As for this weekend - don't blame the executive. Nobody on the reform commission apparently thought they were worthy of seeing what they were voting on until the morning of. Needless to say some of them felt strongarmed.

    Had it been presented well it might have passed.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:12 p.m.  

  • Oh Ted, so naive, they will go about it hari kari, they will get the Youth Commission to put it forward, I can almost bet on it. Chat with a few of them about how vital they are to the Liberal Party, see if they can put the resolutions forward, talk to them about how it would be great to see them down in Ottawa, and voila, they would have their "party renewal" on the table.

    And if you had any idea how they tried to go about this internally, the whole thing has been hari kari. The lack of consultation with the grassroots of the party would be laughable if it was not so sad. But what can one expect from a group of individuals who could not be bothered to allow the grassroots to vote in the leadership race?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:17 p.m.  

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