Thursday, November 17, 2011

Time for some F'ing Civility

I bookmarked this news story as soon as I saw it in May because, Pat Martin being Pat Martin, I knew it wouldn't be long before it would be worth resurrecting:

"This is my new policy," Martin said, holding up a handful of party-coloured buttons he had made reading "Opto Civitas."

"I choose civility. That's the new me."

He had 300 buttons made up in all party colours -- including a green one for Green party MP Elizabeth May -- and plans to hand them out when the House resumes sitting next week.

For an update on how Pat Martin's quest for civility is going, I recommend this story.



  • But not a word from you about Harper's 6th use of Closure in the last 33 days - more worried about someone saying "Fu@k"?

    Wow ...

    By Blogger leftdog, at 5:30 p.m.  

  • Telling someone "f--- you." should get attention when the person doing the telling is an honourable Member of Parliament.

    Can't comment on the use of closure because I don't know the specifics.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:40 p.m.  

  • The NDP wanted to talk for the sake of talking, delaying implementation of the Budget. They are very upset that the Conservative Government preferred to actually get things done and used their majority to shut down debate.

    If the NDP had anything positive to contribute, they still have plenty of avenues open to them. It just won't be quotable from Hansard when they put their re-election campaigns together.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:50 p.m.  

  • So ... that's the new official line from Conservative Caucus Office? Invoking 'closure' is now at record use in the history of democracy. The Libs were bad but what you Conservatives are doing is 'fucking disgraceful'. What Pat Martin tweeted to his followers was spot on.

    By Blogger leftdog, at 5:58 p.m.  

  • Simply put, neither the liberal use of closure is right, nor the offensive language. But, when you claim to promote civility, then you top it all. The Cons did not promote their restrained use of closure, and it is quite frankly expected of these people to shut down debate. But, need I stress again that although we expect our MP's to be hypocrites, we dont actually expect them to be fucking hypocrites.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:27 p.m.  


    By Anonymous mooderbu, at 7:00 p.m.  

  • leftdog: Invoking 'closure' is now at record use in the history of democracy.

    Please provide statistics from parliamentary records to back up this claim.

    By Anonymous The Invisible Hand, at 10:48 p.m.  

  • leftdog,
    there is no excuse for Pat Martin.

    And there is no reason the Harper Government should keep amending bills until Dippers and Libs and Police Chiefs and Charest's Ministers and the separtists and the media give the ok.

    Dippers should quit making fools of themselves,
    so as the stable majority Harper Government can get the job done.

    read Ivison's article.
    In total, including review in the Senate, the component bills have had 53 days of debate, made up of 95 hours and 261 speeches, since they were first introduced, according to the House leader’s office.
    Not quite the trampling of democracy the opposition parties suggest.

    In fact, most of the legislation in front of the House has been thoroughly aired – bills to modernize copyright, kill the long-gun registry, open up the Wheat Board, and create more seats in the House of Commons have all appeared in one form or another in previous parliaments...."

    By Blogger wilson, at 12:25 a.m.  

  • More talking points from the Conservative Caucus Office. Why do you Conservatives hate democracy so much? I'll tell you why - because democracy gets in the way of your authoritarian and self righteous mindset and bullying approach to life. Fu@k you guys!

    By Blogger leftdog, at 12:44 a.m.  

  • @leftdog: exactly what aspect of Democracy do you believe Conservatives "hate" so much?

    The part where the will of the people, expressed through elections and represented by a clear Majority in Parliament is exercised, demonstrated, and acted upon?

    Or the part where people talk for the sake of talking? Or rather, as demonstrated today, people don't even bother to talk but rather oppose without even making any argument against what they're opposing?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:17 a.m.  

  • Isn't "Fuck" in the dictionary yet?

    By Anonymous JBV, at 11:17 a.m.  

  • Anon ... the Conservatives won 39.6% of the vote. You do not have a mandate for dictatorship or smashing democracy in Canada.

    Elections Canada

    By Blogger leftdog, at 12:43 p.m.  

  • Amazing how none of the free speech conservatives are out defending Pat Martin. I'm glad Pat Martin didn't put up with some twits partisan bullshit.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:43 p.m.  

  • It's not often I agree with Leftdog, but he's right.

    Martin's swearing successfully brought attention to the real issue that was being ignored, that the Conservatives are shutting down debate.

    It's not their job to decide if the NDP is wasting time, it's ours. If they really are wasting time then we'll stop our donations and punish them next election.

    By Blogger Robert Vollman, at 12:47 p.m.  

  • @Anon 9:43: I haven't heard a single person suggest that Pat Martin acted illegally in his tweet.

    Many have complained that the language he used was offensive and unparliamentary and otherwise completely unsuitable.

    You're the first to even suggest that his freedom to speak in such a manner was ever in question.

    Unless you, like millions of other Canadians, are confused about the meaning of Free Speech? It doesn't mean that you'll be free from criticism.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:56 p.m.  

  • How is 'closure' undemocratic? It is a vote tabled in Parliament and voted upon by all members present. It passes only with majority support. It is just as democratic than tabling hundreds of nuisance amendments (if not more, since these amendments can be proposed and debated without majority support).


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:24 a.m.  

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