Thursday, March 06, 2008

There's a hole in my logic, dear Liza, dear Liza...

The current government does not deserve to be defeated.

Not only should they not be defeated, but past governments should not be defeated.

It's important to condemn parties for defeating past governments, no matter how unpopular those governments were.

After all, defeating those past governments gave us the current government...

...who does not deserve to be defeated.


  • CG,

    Can you write a post on what you think of the overall current strategy/lack of going on with the Liberal Party?

    It strikes me that intelligent and reasoned thinkers like yourself are clearly missing from the top tier of people within the Office of the Official Opposition. This is not a slight on Dion specifically, but a question on who is working within his team and advising him.

    Riley from NB

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:17 p.m.  

  • Riley asks a good question, Bart.

    I really thought I had seen it all until I read that story today. There are no words.

    The Liberal Party has stunned ol' Sir John A. into silence with that little beauty.

    By Blogger sir john a., at 11:08 p.m.  

  • Indeed, I can't take the liberal party seriously anymore. This is ridiculous.

    How about we discuss real pressing issues instead of whining about how past Liberal governments shouldn't have been defeated? Sense of entitlement indeed.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:22 a.m.  

  • Can we all please now admit that Dion has finally jumped the shark? This is more than embarrassing.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:01 a.m.  

  • dion has to go

    By Blogger JimTan, at 1:22 a.m.  

  • you have to admit, this sounds like something cherniak came up with...

    By Blogger Anthony, at 9:47 a.m.  

  • Jimtan,

    It's not just Dion though. This goes back to my first comment on this post - who is behind the scenes advising Dion?

    You can't just blame Dion for this mess. The role of a staff is to advise and steer the leader. Dion could have come up with all of these ideas on his own, but it would have been his staff's job to say "no that's crazy". They should be a sounding board for him.

    It's clear that sounding board is dysfunctional. I'd like to know where CG thinks this team is headed, and his opinion on their strategy or lack-their-of.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:07 a.m.  

  • PS that last one was me.

    Riley from NB

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:08 a.m.  

  • I'm not fully sure where exactly they're heading but, at the same time, I'm not sure I could suggest a better path.

    I don't completely disagree with the abstention strategy since I don't think those outside of the "Ottawa circle" really care too much about it one way or the other.

    By Blogger calgarygrit, at 10:15 a.m.  

  • "After all, defeating those past governments gave us the current government..."

    ...and they also gave us the current Liberal leader. After all, no election in 2006, no leadership convention, no Dion as leader.

    So it's the Bloc and NDP's fault that Dion is currently Liberal leader. Maybe that's why Liberals are upset at the other parties? :)

    By Blogger Mike514, at 10:40 a.m.  

  • I agree I don't think the individual abstensions matter outside of Ottawa.

    But after a certain point, you have to ask what DOES matter? I think what people find frustrating is NOT the abstentions, but the utter lack of alternatives promoted by the Liberals. They can't win an election, so they just play dead? And then when anyone questions the strategy, the response line is "well I don't think anyone cares outside of Ottawa"?

    You have to take the last year of Liberal strategy on the whole. They have been poor at fundraising, they have been poor at policy alternatives, they have been poor at party unity, and the list continues.

    What point do people say, "we need a new direction for the party".

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:29 a.m.  

  • In my humble opinion it has the markings of Mark Marrissen all over it. For those of you who do not know him he is married to Kristy Clark from Vancouver and was instrumental in getting Dion elected. Cheers. SOR

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:43 a.m.  

  • I posted a comment on Cherniak's blog (unfortunately he rejected it and it never made it past approval) along the lines of this. Jason: you're a Dion supporter, what the hell is happening with your party and more importantly, why the hell should I park my vote with the Liberals when they can't mount an effective opposition and aren't giving me a reason to vote for them.

    The events of the past couple of days are an utter embarassment for anyone who votes Liberal in this country. Between that $%&*#u\ing RETARDED motion the Liberals introduced and now the NDP motion of non-confidence over the Tories environmental record that Dion says he supports in principle, but won't vote in favor of....

    What a freaking trainwreck - I can't help but watch it all unfold, I can't close my freaking eyes, you know?

    Is the brain trust dead? Is Dion surrounded by Martinites? What the FLOCK is wrong with the Liberal Party of Canada dude?

    By Blogger Sean Cummings, at 12:18 p.m.  

  • Still, the Liberals are tied with the Conservatives in polls. Like Alberta Tories, they have their devoted die-hards.

    By Blogger nuna d. above, at 12:47 p.m.  

  • Riley of NB,

    “… who is behind the scenes advising Dion?”

    A fair point. Inadequate resources = Poor decisions.

    I would point out that it is the leader’s responsibility to build his networks and coalitions. Therefore, an inability to inspire and build is a sign of a leader’s limited potential.

    By Blogger JimTan, at 1:21 p.m.  

  • Here’s something to think about.

    Dion's approval rating down across country: poll
    Updated Mon. Jan. 14 2008 11:00 PM ET News Staff
    Over the past year, Liberal Leader Stephane Dion's approval rating has plummeted across Canada, according to a new Strategic Counsel poll.
    The survey, conducted between Jan. 10-13 for CTV and The Globe and Mail, shows that Dion is the only national party leader to show a significant drop in support.
    When respondents were asked if they found the leaders favourable, less than half said they had a good impression of Dion (difference between a Jan. 11-14, 2007 poll in brackets):
     Stephen Harper, Conservatives: 58 per cent (+4)
     Elizabeth May, Green Party: 56 per cent (-2)
     Jack Layton, NDP: 55 per cent (-4)
     Stephane Dion, Liberals: 39 per cent (-20)

     In fact, 25 per cent of people found Dion "very unfavourable" in the survey and 34 per cent "somewhat unfavourable," totalling 61 per cent.
     For the 39 per cent who approved of Dion, 34 per cent found him "somewhat favourable" but only 5 per cent "very favourable."

    Meanwhile, Dion's likeability seems to be having little impact on which party Canadians would vote for. The Liberals and Conservatives are still showing similar numbers to what surveys have suggested since last spring (difference between a Dec. 6-9 poll in brackets):
     Conservatives: 36 per cent (+4)
     Liberals: 30 per cent (+1)
     NDP: 14 per cent (-2)
     Bloc Quebecois: 11 per cent (+1)
     Greens: 10 per cent (-3)

    By Blogger JimTan, at 1:24 p.m.  

  • Grumpy: In case you have not noticed, Cherniak has stopped talking about Dion. He has not disavowed his beloved leader, but he is no longer talking about him. No indication whatsoever that the man even exists.

    Could there be a greater indication of the fact that the man is done? If you are a Liberal and Mercer is laughing at you and Cherniak won't talk about you, you're done. Done. Dion. Done.

    Too bad. The brand is seriously tainted.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:00 p.m.  

  • Mercer cracks jokes at all the politicians. He's ridiculed Harper probably more than Dion over the past year but Harper isn't done.

    People need to chill.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:13 p.m.  

  • Re Sir John A ( 2nd post in this thread) Please reference the story you are referring to? I would like to read it. The thread has some interesting dialogue in it and I would like to read the background.

    Thanks in Advance

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:55 p.m.  

  • Opps skip that request. I didnt notice the highlist in the posting.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:57 p.m.  

  • Didin*t I say you guys should have put Bob Rae in charge to get the Liberal train chugging along again?

    Can*t just sit in the station with Dion trying to figure out the levers. = TG

    By Blogger TonyGuitar, at 12:31 p.m.  

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