Friday, February 24, 2006

A New Voice

-You can add Marlene Jennings to the list of rumoured candidates, according to this news story.

-"On Veut Michael" joins the growing list of leadership blogs. This one certainly looks like a professional site, so I'm guessing it's not just some PoliSci geek who likes Michael's books doing it for kicks.

-Speaking of all but declared candidates, Scott Brison has been jetting across Western Canada this week, with stops in BC, Calgary, Edmonton, and Manitoba.


Update: The Globe looks at the field in today's paper.

16 Comments:

  • stoppingharper.blogspot.com says a young Liberal is running the site

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:09 AM  

  • ohgodohgodohgodohgod.

    Marlene, Belinda, and Joe in televised debates.

    Way to rebuild.

    By Blogger matt, at 1:46 PM  

  • That's a calibre of design I haven't seen in most of the other "draft so and so" sites. It's good to see someone getting the facts of Ignatieff's supposedly controvertial views out there. It would be nice, assuming that he runs, if there was a debate about the things he actually believes as opposed to the words that have been put in his mouth.

    Suprised there hasn't been a post on O'connor's new BMD position.

    By Blogger Michael Crook, at 2:34 PM  

  • The site is indeed run by a Young Liberal, or at least it is owned by one. See the registration (http://internic.ca/whois.asp?domain=onveutmichael.org&wserver=whois.internic.ca) to a Dalal Saikali
    who in turn is a member of the executive of the Quebec wing of the Young Liberals (http://www.jeunes-liberaux.qc.ca/ylcq/info_equipe_membre.aspx?profil=dalal)

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:07 PM  

  • ast Wednesday night, an event was held for Brison in the home of Christy Clark and Mark Marison (who was Paul Martin's BC Board member). Others involved in organizing the event include Bill Cunningham, Martin's #2 guy in BC and John Bethel, Martin's Alberta Board member.

    Moreover, organizational work for the event was done by Mike Drummond and Adam Johnson. These two gentlemen are paid staffers at Earnscliffe. As was done when Martin ran for leadership, staffers are being used "off book" at consulting and lobby firms.

    Apparently Brison did not fair that well in the q&a's, and he was lobbed a softball French question from Shanon Salter (member of the LPBC) and totally blew it, despite French lessons.

    Moreover, there is apparently a "unity" movement coming from the LPBC telling everyone that all ridings should be supporting only one candidate, and it looks like the Martin Board is pushing Brison down everyone's throats. Quite unfortunate, because this should be an open consultation and development process.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 5:00 PM  

  • Dalal is a member of the JLC(Q), a director who is appointed. I know this as I am on the same exec, but in the interest of privacy, can someone remove the link to her home address and phone number.

    It's kind of an invasion of privacy.

    By Blogger Antonio, at 6:00 PM  

  • What Anonymous said about the Brison visit to the home of Christy Clark is absolutely false! He didn't blow any q&a's and his french impressed all. If anonymous is going to resort to mistruths tell him to stay away from blogging and the Leadership Race.

    All the campas have agreed that this will be a race among friends - free of the acromony of the past 10 years. He had better grow up because the membership of the Party won't accept this trash talk.

    All in attendance at Christy's agreed that Scott did very very well. No one pushed anything down anyone's throat and all agreed to hear out the two other viable candidates for BCers (namely ken Dryden and Stephane Dion) prior to declaring allegiancies.

    How pitiful that the slim bag who wrote the post hid under the cover of an "anonymous" post.

    By Anonymous matthew, at 6:19 PM  

  • Funny how a random anonymous person has the ill will and frankly, the stupidity of posting the personal information of the site creator.
    Besides, what is the problem. This Dalal is a member of the Young Liberals exec, and??? He/She (really sorry) is not saying that he/she will vote for him but instead is trying to encourage him to run.

    By Anonymous Darren, at 6:39 PM  

  • Matthew: your reaction to anonymous' Brison comment seems a little strong. You haven't objected to any of the fact of his comment. for example: that Christy and Mark hosted Scott and the logistics were done by Mike and Adam etc.

    You seem upset at the point made about Brison's french. Obviously anonymous wasn't at the meeting and is relying on accounts of people who were there. This is the reason both of the "opinions" he voiced are prefaced by "apparently". As in this is second hand information.

    There isn't anything wrong with posting second hand accounts, in fact most days that's all the blogosphere is.

    I'd heard something similar from someone at the event and so I have trouble believing your assertion that "All in attendance at Christy's agreed that Scott did very very well." They may not have stated it at the time but at least one person has been saying they weren't impressed.

    I understand your point about avoiding acrimony but pointing out that Scott Brison isn't a strong french speaker (something he himself has acknowledged) isn't exactly attacking below the belt.

    Given that you weren't able to attack anonymous on the facts and instead were upset by opinion statements that are second hand I'm confused as to the tone of your rhetoric.

    You'll note that I haven't hidden under the cover of anonimity. feel free to respond.

    By Blogger Michael Crook, at 9:20 PM  

  • I agree with Michael Crook, there was nothing really under the belt that was posted against Brison. I think though that if he wants to avoid the acrimony of the past 10 years, he might reconsider some of the organizers he is reported to be running with, especially those involved in Martin's rise to power; it was a quick fix, little benefit to his [Martin] carreer but rather a pretty quick fall as leader, and well, quite possibily put the Party in the situation it now finds itself in.

    By Blogger JB, at 9:35 PM  

  • Whoa, whoa...easy tiger. I don't understand why rhetoric turned to "slime" so quickly. I for one like Brison. I'm uncomfortable that he's a floor crosser, but there's no doubt that he's left of Harper et al.

    I have a far bigger issue with Brison staffing his bid with Earnscliffe and Martin thugs. Sure, assuming the Martin apparatus will go along way to controlling the process and ensuring victory at delegate selection meetings, but I had hoped that the thuggery and the "with us or against us" approach to kingmaking would be cast aside in favour of party rebuilding, exchange of ideas, articulating a vision for the 21st century and positioning for a win in the next election.

    Brison should think twice.

    By Blogger Bob Loblaw, at 10:38 PM  

  • Agree with your post Bob. We need to clean house as a party. I find this talk of limiting the consideration of candidates for "BCers" to just three "Martin" selections worrisome. BC Liberals and all Liberals across Canada need to wait to see who is actually going to run and compare the candidates on their ideas, vision, experience etc. and NOT select the leader on the basis of whether he/she is part of a Martin alliance.

    Who is going to be the best candidate to lead our party into the next election against Harper?

    What candidate can best articulate what liberalism is and what it means to be part of the Liberal Party in Canada?

    Are there certain candidates that carry too much baggage or controversy?

    What candidate is most likely to lead us through REAL party renewal?

    I would personally like to see an energetic, young, fresh face as the next Liberal leader with no ties to Martin or Chretien camps.
    My first choice would be Gerard Kennedy if he decides to run.

    Bring on the real change.

    By Anonymous cs, at 11:57 PM  

  • bob & cs:

    I just want to toss this out there because it seems to me that it is being very easy to label those Liberals who helped Martin win the leadership as "thugs" or "creeps". the danger in this is that these people are not necessarily anything other than Liberal organisers. The same as any other "wing" of the party. If we're serious about not making the mistakes of 2003 in this leadership race its important to resist the urge to assume that the Martin machine still exists as it did in 2003 (or even during the election).

    Sure it's fair to point out who organised for Martin and even any abuses that occurred. The danger i think is the idea that we need to move on by taking out the "Martin Alliance". we'll end up in exactly the same place unless we get it through our heads that we're all Liberals.

    By Blogger Michael Crook, at 12:19 AM  

  • michael,

    You raise a good point. We need to include and not exclude in this party. We need some grassroots renewal. I know most Liberals want a very open leadership campaign. Let's hope that we get one.

    By Anonymous cs, at 12:51 AM  

  • These are all fair points. I think every leadership candidate should draw on the experience and expertise of Martin's team and organizers. My point is simply that there are ways to advance to cause without a "with us or against us" mac-truck mentality that prevents careful consideration.

    By Blogger Bob Loblaw, at 9:24 AM  

  • I was one of those present at the Scott Brison reception at Christy Clark's house. Scott seems like a nice enough guy but his French skills are no match for Stephen Harpers. He's bot exactly the most dynamic speaker in English either. The real star of the evening was Christy's 4 year old son Hamish who kept entering the room and interupting Scott's speech, toy sword in hand. I noticed some people dozing off while Scott was talking. If there hadn't been so much wine and beer provided by the hostess, the evening would have been a total waste.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:21 PM  

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